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RE: What changed Juliette into a Hexenbiest - dicappatore - 07-02-2017
This whole concept of stealing his Grimm was really never fully explained. If Nick took away Adalind’s Hexenbiest by the intake of a few drops of his blood? That’s called a fluid transfer. A bit more involved that just swapping spit as in French kissing.
How does Adalind Switch to Juliette take away his Grimm? Can’t be just by sex? Fluid transfer beyond a wet kiss had to take place? If he had used a condom. He would have kept his Grimm?
That's a question, not a conclusion.
RE: What changed Juliette into a Hexenbiest - Nicholas White - 07-03-2017
(07-02-2017, 11:53 AM)dicappatore Wrote: This whole concept of stealing his Grimm was really never fully explained. If Nick took away Adalind’s Hexenbiest by the intake of a few drops of his blood? That’s called a fluid transfer. A bit more involved that just swapping spit as in French kissing.
How does Adalind Switch to Juliette take away his Grimm? Can’t be just by sex? Fluid transfer beyond a wet kiss had to take place? If he had used a condom. He would have kept his Grimm?
That's a question, not a conclusion.
Nick didn't use a Condom as that is how Baby Kelly was born. Also it was sexually transmitted just as a lot of diseases like aids, crabs, etc are sexually transmitted. I assume this spell would be no different.
Also his Grimm powers were just blocked not completely gone. There was a doctor scene in which case she says something is blocking something in his mind.
RE: What changed Juliette into a Hexenbiest - rpmaluki - 07-03-2017
(07-03-2017, 03:43 AM)Nicholas White Wrote:That is probably the most accurate description of what happened. It may explain how Juliette contracted the hexenbiest spirit as well. It's easier to grasp when you see it as a sort of supernatural STD, lol. Grimms are vulnerable but humans, more so under special conditions such as reversing the spell.(07-02-2017, 11:53 AM)dicappatore Wrote: This whole concept of stealing his Grimm was really never fully explained. If Nick took away Adalind’s Hexenbiest by the intake of a few drops of his blood? That’s called a fluid transfer. A bit more involved that just swapping spit as in French kissing.
How does Adalind Switch to Juliette take away his Grimm? Can’t be just by sex? Fluid transfer beyond a wet kiss had to take place? If he had used a condom. He would have kept his Grimm?
That's a question, not a conclusion.
Nick didn't use a Condom as that is how Baby Kelly was born. Also it was sexually transmitted just as a lot of diseases like aids, crabs, etc are sexually transmitted. I assume this spell would be no different.
Also his Grimm powers were just blocked not completely gone. There was a doctor scene in which case she says something is blocking something in his mind.
RE: What changed Juliette into a Hexenbiest - dicappatore - 07-03-2017
(07-03-2017, 04:11 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:OK so what happened after she bedded Sean, did he become a super Zouberbiest that we don't know yet? We will never know about Ken. After he got his willy wonked his life expectancy was reduced a bit. If she had a yeast infection, his bread never got to rise. Shall I keep going?(07-03-2017, 03:43 AM)Nicholas White Wrote:That is probably the most accurate description of what happened. It may explain how Juliette contracted the hexenbiest spirit as well. It's easier to grasp when you see it as a sort of supernatural STD, lol. Grimms are vulnerable but humans, more so under special conditions such as reversing the spell.(07-02-2017, 11:53 AM)dicappatore Wrote: This whole concept of stealing his Grimm was really never fully explained. If Nick took away Adalind’s Hexenbiest by the intake of a few drops of his blood? That’s called a fluid transfer. A bit more involved that just swapping spit as in French kissing.
How does Adalind Switch to Juliette take away his Grimm? Can’t be just by sex? Fluid transfer beyond a wet kiss had to take place? If he had used a condom. He would have kept his Grimm?
That's a question, not a conclusion.
Nick didn't use a Condom as that is how Baby Kelly was born. Also it was sexually transmitted just as a lot of diseases like aids, crabs, etc are sexually transmitted. I assume this spell would be no different.
Also his Grimm powers were just blocked not completely gone. There was a doctor scene in which case she says something is blocking something in his mind.
RE: What changed Juliette into a Hexenbiest - rpmaluki - 07-03-2017
(07-03-2017, 05:03 AM)dicappatore Wrote:No, the "STD" would only work with the opposing natures of Hexenbiest and Grimm. where the one cancels out the other but as @Nicholas White said, Nick's Grimm didn't "die" like Adalind's hexenbiest back in S1, it was just "suppressed" by the hexenbiest "STD" he contracted and he passed it onto a human Juliette, who's neither wesen nor grimm and therefore susceptible to the hexenbiest spirit attaching itself to her like a disease/STD, this is only possible when re-Grimm someone.(07-03-2017, 04:11 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:OK so what happened after she bedded Sean, did he become a super Zouberbiest that we don't know yet? We will never know about Ken. After he got his willy wonked his life expectancy was reduced a bit. If she had a yeast infection, his bread never got to rise. Shall I keep going?(07-03-2017, 03:43 AM)Nicholas White Wrote:That is probably the most accurate description of what happened. It may explain how Juliette contracted the hexenbiest spirit as well. It's easier to grasp when you see it as a sort of supernatural STD, lol. Grimms are vulnerable but humans, more so under special conditions such as reversing the spell.(07-02-2017, 11:53 AM)dicappatore Wrote: This whole concept of stealing his Grimm was really never fully explained. If Nick took away Adalind’s Hexenbiest by the intake of a few drops of his blood? That’s called a fluid transfer. A bit more involved that just swapping spit as in French kissing.
How does Adalind Switch to Juliette take away his Grimm? Can’t be just by sex? Fluid transfer beyond a wet kiss had to take place? If he had used a condom. He would have kept his Grimm?
That's a question, not a conclusion.
Nick didn't use a Condom as that is how Baby Kelly was born. Also it was sexually transmitted just as a lot of diseases like aids, crabs, etc are sexually transmitted. I assume this spell would be no different.
Also his Grimm powers were just blocked not completely gone. There was a doctor scene in which case she says something is blocking something in his mind.
Adalind and Renard have had sex in woged state and nothing happened. Juliette was already a hexenbiest when she slept with Renard and when she slept with Kenneth she couldn't pass anything to him because he wasn't a grimm, nor was he trying to become one again so the sex was harmless in terms of passing the biest "STD" around.
RE: What changed Juliette into a Hexenbiest - Robyn - 07-03-2017
The idea that the de-grimming spell was based on an STD transmitted by the exchange of body fluids is gross even by G & K standards. That the spell could only be performed via sexual intercourse was sufficiently disgusting and demeaning.
If this is the case I must have totally misunderstood Adalind’s original spell/potion. I thought the potion’s specific mix of ingredients determined what the spell would cause to happen. If a human can become a Hexenbiest simply by using the hat after a Hexenbiest, that seems like a much easier solution to Adalind getting a Hexenbiest than the Contaminatio Ritualis Stefania came up with. In that season the show presented that becoming a Hexenbiest was nearly impossible and required a ritual specifically designed to give someone a Hexenbiest. Adalind even had to prove herself worthy before the ritual could be performed.
Quote:Hexenbiest spirit coming from the Hat makes zero sense given that no Hexenbiest spirit was even used for the potion.The hat was used four times on Grimm, but the show established the hat dated back to at least the sixteenth century. So it makes sense that the hat has been used by many Hexenbiest for many purposes over the centuries.
RE: What changed Juliette into a Hexenbiest - rpmaluki - 07-03-2017
(07-03-2017, 06:10 AM)Robyn Wrote: The idea that the de-grimming spell was based on an STD transmitted by the exchange of body fluids is gross even by G & K standards. That the spell could only be performed via sexual intercourse was sufficiently disgusting and demeaning.It is gross. I don't believe this is what in fact happened. It's a twisted way of looking at how Nick lost his Grimm (through sex) and Juliette became a hexenbiest (through sex). It would have been better if they stuck to the Contaminatio Ritualis way of becoming a hexenbiest but then they couldn't have Juliette going mental on Nick and burning her bridges.
RE: What changed Juliette into a Hexenbiest - dicappatore - 07-03-2017
(07-03-2017, 06:10 AM)Robyn Wrote: The idea that the de-grimming spell was based on an STD transmitted by the exchange of body fluids is gross even by G & K standards. That the spell could only be performed via sexual intercourse was sufficiently disgusting and demeaning.
If this is the case I must have totally misunderstood Adalind’s original spell/potion. I thought the potion’s specific mix of ingredients determined what the spell would cause to happen. If a human can become a Hexenbiest simply by using the hat after a Hexenbiest, that seems like a much easier solution to Adalind getting a Hexenbiest than the Contaminatio Ritualis Stefania came up with. In that season the show presented that becoming a Hexenbiest was nearly impossible and required a ritual specifically designed to give someone a Hexenbiest. Adalind even had to prove herself worthy before the ritual could be performed.
Quote:Hexenbiest spirit coming from the Hat makes zero sense given that no Hexenbiest spirit was even used for the potion.The hat was used four times on Grimm, but the show established the hat dated back to at least the sixteenth century. So it makes sense that the hat has been used by many Hexenbiest for many purposes over the centuries.
Robyn, after reading your post, it gave me more of an insight how flocked up the script on this plot was <<No Pun Intended>> so screwed up!
In conclusion, the short answer to this thread, “What changed Juliette into a Hexenbiest”?
Answer: SEX.
RE: What changed Juliette into a Hexenbiest - jsgrimm45 - 07-03-2017
(07-03-2017, 03:43 AM)Nicholas White Wrote:If memory is still working and that is an if. The Doctor said Nick eyes were affected something about him having more rods and cones. Something like these had swelling around them. So something Elizabeth did in hsr potion reduced this swelling. Now as to why Adalind changed to Juliette was NIck sure wasn't going to drink anything she offered, but sleep with Juliette he would do. To heal his eyes need to do the reverse of Adalind.(07-02-2017, 11:53 AM)dicappatore Wrote: This whole concept of stealing his Grimm was really never fully explained. If Nick took away Adalind’s Hexenbiest by the intake of a few drops of his blood? That’s called a fluid transfer. A bit more involved that just swapping spit as in French kissing.
How does Adalind Switch to Juliette take away his Grimm? Can’t be just by sex? Fluid transfer beyond a wet kiss had to take place? If he had used a condom. He would have kept his Grimm?
That's a question, not a conclusion.
Nick didn't use a Condom as that is how Baby Kelly was born. Also it was sexually transmitted just as a lot of diseases like aids, crabs, etc are sexually transmitted. I assume this spell would be no different.
Also his Grimm powers were just blocked not completely gone. There was a doctor scene in which case she says something is blocking something in his mind.
Adalind only just Juliette as a way to get the potion into Nick, so fluid transfer was the only way think of this as drinking the potion. IMO
RE: What changed Juliette into a Hexenbiest - dicappatore - 07-03-2017
(07-03-2017, 07:04 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:(07-03-2017, 03:43 AM)Nicholas White Wrote:If memory is still working and that is an if. The Doctor said Nick eyes were affected something about him having more rods and cones. Something like these had swelling around them. So something Elizabeth did in hsr potion reduced this swelling. Now as to why Adalind changed to Juliette was NIck sure wasn't going to drink anything she offered, but sleep with Juliette he would do. To heal his eyes need to do the reverse of Adalind.(07-02-2017, 11:53 AM)dicappatore Wrote: This whole concept of stealing his Grimm was really never fully explained. If Nick took away Adalind’s Hexenbiest by the intake of a few drops of his blood? That’s called a fluid transfer. A bit more involved that just swapping spit as in French kissing.
How does Adalind Switch to Juliette take away his Grimm? Can’t be just by sex? Fluid transfer beyond a wet kiss had to take place? If he had used a condom. He would have kept his Grimm?
That's a question, not a conclusion.
Nick didn't use a Condom as that is how Baby Kelly was born. Also it was sexually transmitted just as a lot of diseases like aids, crabs, etc are sexually transmitted. I assume this spell would be no different.
Also his Grimm powers were just blocked not completely gone. There was a doctor scene in which case she says something is blocking something in his mind.
Adalind only just Juliette as a way to get the potion into Nick, so fluid transfer was the only way think of this as drinking the potion. IMO
So, js, you agree? No sex, No Hex?