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RE: A very interesting article that features Juliette's character - Henry of green - 12-18-2017

Syscrash, I don’t think so signs of guilt more like , Nick wanted Juliette to be her self agian because he felt guilty a blind man could see that. Nick felt like Juliette’s fate was all his fault and whished to undo what he’d Supposedly done to her. I know your dream is for Nick to simply kneel at the alter of mighty Juliette /Eve for the rest of his life begging her forgiveness but that was never going to happen ,Nick loved Juliette certainly but in season 6 Nick was more riddled with guilt than love.


RE: A very interesting article that features Juliette's character - rpmaluki - 12-18-2017

A foreign wesen spirit IS exactly what it was. She wasn't born with it like Adalind/Catherine/Elizabeth/Henrietta etc. In the natural world, when people get possessed by spirits, the natural thing to do is to exorcise them. Nick wanted to rid Juliette of this foreign spirit and Henrietta told him it could never be done.

No amount of anger justifies violent acts that lead to people dying. Juliette had every right to be angry, but expressing that anger in the manner that we saw is unacceptable. In the real world, you do what Juliette did, set someone's property on fire, conspire with your neighbours' killers resulting in the unexpected death of your potential mother in law, no court would acquit you of the guilt/responsibility of your actions. The Bible says in eph 4:26
Quote:and 'don't sin by letting anger control you.' Don't let the sun go down while you are still angry,
It doesn't say don't be angry, just don't do terrible things because of your anger. And that is why I'm coming against Juliette's actions in S4, she should have walked away when she was convinced things between her and Nick were over instead of acting out in violence.


RE: A very interesting article that features Juliette's character - syscrash - 12-18-2017

Quote:We don't fully know what Nick would have ultimately done and can only go by what he did do after 6 seasons. He maintained a long term relationship with a hexenbiest, he never shunned Eve/Juliette once she came back into his life full time instead of an HW operative he interacted with from time to time and even after she told him she was content as a hexenbiest, Nick never changed his demeanor around her. He wasn't the only one who still believed Eve wanted to be her human self again. Adalind and even Wu made comments along that line after she lost the hexenbiest. They all thought she'd be happy without it and for the first time since it happened, they saw her sad without it and iNick never scowled at her getting the hexenbiest back.

Nick isn't so rigid that he cannot change his mind when the occasion calls for it
That's my point he never changed his demeanor about Juliette / Eve. Not once did he show he had feeling for other then when Trubel shot her, Conrad stabbed her, and Zerstorer stabbed. Even then it was in the context of her being Juliette.


RE: A very interesting article that features Juliette's character - rpmaluki - 12-18-2017

Eve is Juliette and Nick cared about Juliette. You're still saying Nick is wrong for caring about her and wishing her life wasn't screwed up by being connected to him. You are making his wrong more deserving of condemnation than her violent acts against him and those around him. According to you, he's guilty but she's not.


RE: A very interesting article that features Juliette's character - syscrash - 12-18-2017

Quote:Syscrash, I don’t think so signs of guilt more like , Nick wanted Juliette to be her self agian because he felt guilty a blind man could see that. Nick felt like Juliette’s fate was all his fault and whisked to undo what he’ed Supposedly done to her.
It was diffidently guilt. They had a long conversation about the guilt he felt. that is when she tried to alleviate him of his guilt. See even told him she would not change back even if she could. But that still does not change the statement she made when she woged in his face. the statement of he would never look at her the same again. That is exactly what happened.


RE: A very interesting article that features Juliette's character - rpmaluki - 12-18-2017

He still cared deeply for her, that also never changed. The same can't be said for her in S4.


RE: A very interesting article that features Juliette's character - brandon - 12-18-2017

If the relationship between Juliette " Hexenbiest" and Nick does not work , its because Juliette did nothing to work.


RE: A very interesting article that features Juliette's character - syscrash - 12-18-2017

Quote:No amount of anger justifies violent acts that lead to people dying. Juliette had every right to be angry, but expressing that anger in the manner that we saw is unacceptable. In the real world, you do what Juliette did, set someone's property on fire, conspire with your neighbours' killers resulting in the unexpected death of your potential mother in law, no court would acquit you of the guilt/responsibility of your actions. The Bible says in eph 4:26
As for the trailer. Could Nick press charges yes. But in most cases it becomes a civil matter where the person is made to pay for the property damage. As for the neighbors you are projecting when you put that on Juliette. As I said before you are assuming she knew what you as a viewer knows. Remember until the attack on Kelly she had never seen any thing that would make her think Kenneth was violent. She never heard any warning of Kenneth being violent. As viewers we had seen plenty. Not only people talking about how violent he was. We watched him beat up Sean's spy. We saw him beat up Sean. We watch him take over the neighbors houses. None of which Juliette had any knowledge of. You like other keep wanting to equate her anger with the deaths. The only thing her anger did was to help make sure Adalind did not get Diana. What I think is interesting. Had Juliette not been a hexenbiest it would have been Adalind working with Kenneth. The difference Adalind would have more the likely helped. Where Juliette was duped.

I have seen other find fault with her because she did not help Kelly once she realized what was happening. They forget Kenneth and the Royals where her only avenue for help since she could not longer turn to her so called friends. Why would she bite the hand that feeds her. Even though in the end she could not go along with them and abandoned their help.


RE: A very interesting article that features Juliette's character - Hell Rell - 12-18-2017

(12-18-2017, 01:47 PM)syscrash Wrote:
Quote:You're underplaying Juliette's actions at the spice shop. She was capable of killing them with just a thought, but that wasn't what Juliette was doing. She hyped the tension by forcibly training Nick's gun on Monroe with Nick's hand on the trigger. Nick couldn't stop his actions because Juliette's wanted to show them her powers and how little they now mattered to her and the fact that she had Nick pull the trigger shows her intention clearly. Monroe wasn't shot that night, not because of Juliette. Hank saved Monroe that night by basically tackling hm out of the gun fire. There's no other way around it. Her hesitancy that night wasn't out of some innate compulsion not to hurt them. She was taunting and trying to destroy Nick by making him shoot his best friend and Rosalee by making her watch her husband get shot. It's like how some criminals just kill their victims when robbing them vs others who play with their victims to hype their fear before actually killing them because they thrive on the fear. Juliette was behaving more like the latter than the former, getting drunk on the power. She was in a position of power and wanted Nick and the gang to never forget it.
Then why didn't she stop Hank from intervening. Even her response afterward was not that of someone whose plan was stopped. What did she say after ward who that was close. Had she wanted to shot Monroe. Why not have Nick pull the trigger again after re aiming the gun. It is an automatic she could have fired several shots. By your statement are we to believe Juliette could not hit a moving target. After pulling the trigger he dropped the gun. something he could not do until she let him.

The one thing you did get right was her intent was to show she is the one in control. To think that Hank is the one that save Monroe life means you don't see her as having total control of the situation.

At the very least, this shows that Juliette was indifferent to whether Monroe got shot or not. Your argument would be much more substantial if Hank didn't need to tackle Monroe out of the way. The only reason that bullet didn't hit him is because of Hank's intervention. The flippant way Juliette said "that was close" like she flicked a rubber band at him speaks volumes. She doesn't get brownie points for not firing another shot after a third-party rescued her intended victim.

Antagonists taunting the protagonist instead of outright killing them is very prevalent in all of fiction. That's the reason John McClane survives every Die Hard movie. It just doesn't come to down to physical assaults. Juliette doing what she did was psychological torture. That's why she had Nick point his gun at his best friend while Rosalee watched.


RE: A very interesting article that features Juliette's character - syscrash - 12-18-2017

Quote:Antagonists taunting the protagonist instead of outright killing them is very prevalent in all of fiction. That's the reason John McClane survives every Die Hard movie. It just doesn't come to down to physical assaults. Juliette doing what she did was psychological torture. That's why she had Nick point his gun at his best friend while Rosalee watched.
It was without a doubt psychological torture. That point people are making that I don't agree with is that she tried to kill Monroe. It's like being made to play Russian roulette with an empty gun. It is still psychologically devastating as long as you think a bullet is in one of the chambers. In Monroe's case it is clear she waited till Monroe was out of the way before pulling the trigger. If there is any doubt, after the shot she released control so Nick could drop the gun. Nick even said he could not let it go before she let him.