(05-24-2015, 08:49 AM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote: Renard and Meisner goes all the way back to the 1st season they met several times in season 2, where Renard trust Meisner to kill his brother after he kidnapped Nick .....so their friendship seems strong??? He also sent him to protect Adaline and her unborn child/ he even delivered the baby

Questiion now is: Did Renard order Meisner to kill his father to save diana?? ( that would be a twist)

(05-24-2015, 10:32 AM)wfmyers1207 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 08:49 AM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote: Renard and Meisner goes all the way back to the 1st season they met several times in season 2, where Renard trust Meisner to kill his brother after he kidnapped Nick .....so their friendship seems strong??? He also sent him to protect Adaline and her unborn child/ he even delivered the baby

Questiion now is: Did Renard order Meisner to kill his father to save diana?? ( that would be a twist)

Now that is an interesting idea and frankly I'm a little embarrased it did not occur to me as well.

Renard has used Meisner as a hit man in the past, but we still need to remember that he is a member of the Resistance and may have his own agenda.

Still it is interesting. If, in the first couple of episodes of S5, we see Meisner take Diana back to Renard then we will know for sure. If he takes her to Europe then we know he was doing it for his own reasons.

(05-24-2015, 12:19 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 10:32 AM)wfmyers1207 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 08:49 AM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote: Renard and Meisner goes all the way back to the 1st season they met several times in season 2, where Renard trust Meisner to kill his brother after he kidnapped Nick .....so their friendship seems strong??? He also sent him to protect Adaline and her unborn child/ he even delivered the baby

Questiion now is: Did Renard order Meisner to kill his father to save diana?? ( that would be a twist)

Now that is an interesting idea and frankly I'm a little embarrased it did not occur to me as well.

Renard has used Meisner as a hit man in the past, but we still need to remember that he is a member of the Resistance and may have his own agenda.

Still it is interesting. If, in the first couple of episodes of S5, we see Meisner take Diana back to Renard then we will know for sure. If he takes her to Europe then we know he was doing it for his own reasons.

I agree if the Renard had known the King was in town I could well see the order to kill him possible but that would make the saving of Diana accidental not part of the plan. There ( as I see it) was no way Renard could have known the Kenneth would get Diana and call for the chopper that night. I could see Meisner just waiting for the chopper call but how long would he be able to wait? That helicopter would have been check by Raspoil men off and on an Meisner was known so he could not have been waiting long.

So we have killing the King only Diana accidental? Diana the main plan and the King accidental? Or both somehow was known to kill 2 birds with one stone? These ideas do make one think. Thank you.

(05-24-2015, 01:23 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 12:19 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 10:32 AM)wfmyers1207 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 08:49 AM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote: Renard and Meisner goes all the way back to the 1st season they met several times in season 2, where Renard trust Meisner to kill his brother after he kidnapped Nick .....so their friendship seems strong??? He also sent him to protect Adaline and her unborn child/ he even delivered the baby

Questiion now is: Did Renard order Meisner to kill his father to save diana?? ( that would be a twist)

Now that is an interesting idea and frankly I'm a little embarrased it did not occur to me as well.

Renard has used Meisner as a hit man in the past, but we still need to remember that he is a member of the Resistance and may have his own agenda.

Still it is interesting. If, in the first couple of episodes of S5, we see Meisner take Diana back to Renard then we will know for sure. If he takes her to Europe then we know he was doing it for his own reasons.

I agree if the Renard had known the King was in town I could well see the order to kill him possible but that would make the saving of Diana accidental not part of the plan. There ( as I see it) was no way Renard could have known the Kenneth would get Diana and call for the chopper that night. I could see Meisner just waiting for the chopper call but how long would he be able to wait? That helicopter would have been check by Raspoil men off and on an Meisner was known so he could not have been waiting long.

So we have killing the King only Diana accidental? Diana the main plan and the King accidental? Or both somehow was known to kill 2 birds with one stone? These ideas do make one think. Thank you.

I don't think Miesner will bring a very special child back to Portland, people died for her to be protected. Meisner could let us know in season 5 if he was working for Renard, when he phones or computer message him with a pic of Renard's daughter or video cam to let him know his plan went according to plan his daughter is safe, but it was needed to kill the king ....... I think meisner called Renard , when he learn Kelly was killed and diana was taken and that's , when Sean made the not so difficult choice to save diana even if it means if they had to kill his father.

(05-24-2015, 02:01 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 01:23 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 12:19 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 10:32 AM)wfmyers1207 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 08:49 AM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote: Renard and Meisner goes all the way back to the 1st season they met several times in season 2, where Renard trust Meisner to kill his brother after he kidnapped Nick .....so their friendship seems strong??? He also sent him to protect Adaline and her unborn child/ he even delivered the baby

Questiion now is: Did Renard order Meisner to kill his father to save diana?? ( that would be a twist)

Now that is an interesting idea and frankly I'm a little embarrased it did not occur to me as well.

Renard has used Meisner as a hit man in the past, but we still need to remember that he is a member of the Resistance and may have his own agenda.

Still it is interesting. If, in the first couple of episodes of S5, we see Meisner take Diana back to Renard then we will know for sure. If he takes her to Europe then we know he was doing it for his own reasons.

I agree if the Renard had known the King was in town I could well see the order to kill him possible but that would make the saving of Diana accidental not part of the plan. There ( as I see it) was no way Renard could have known the Kenneth would get Diana and call for the chopper that night. I could see Meisner just waiting for the chopper call but how long would he be able to wait? That helicopter would have been check by Raspoil men off and on an Meisner was known so he could not have been waiting long.

So we have killing the King only Diana accidental? Diana the main plan and the King accidental? Or both somehow was known to kill 2 birds with one stone? These ideas do make one think. Thank you.

I don't think Miesner will bring a very special child back to Portland, people died for her to be protected. Meisner could let us know in season 5 if he was working for Renard, when he phones or computer message him with a pic of Renard's daughter or video cam to let him know his plan went according to plan his daughter is safe, but it was needed to kill the king ....... I think meisner called Renard , when he learn Kelly was killed and diana was taken and that's , when Sean made the not so difficult choice to save diana even if it means if they had to kill his father.

That works but my next question would be we didn't see anyone but the Nick's crew knowing Kelly was dead and Diana taken. Renard was with Monroe and Rosalee but might have him receive a mysterious phone call or voice mail off camera from Miesner, but wouldn't that had have placed Miesner at the house? Your thoughts?

(05-24-2015, 05:15 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 02:01 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 01:23 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 12:19 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 10:32 AM)wfmyers1207 Wrote: Now that is an interesting idea and frankly I'm a little embarrased it did not occur to me as well.

Renard has used Meisner as a hit man in the past, but we still need to remember that he is a member of the Resistance and may have his own agenda.

Still it is interesting. If, in the first couple of episodes of S5, we see Meisner take Diana back to Renard then we will know for sure. If he takes her to Europe then we know he was doing it for his own reasons.

I agree if the Renard had known the King was in town I could well see the order to kill him possible but that would make the saving of Diana accidental not part of the plan. There ( as I see it) was no way Renard could have known the Kenneth would get Diana and call for the chopper that night. I could see Meisner just waiting for the chopper call but how long would he be able to wait? That helicopter would have been check by Raspoil men off and on an Meisner was known so he could not have been waiting long.

So we have killing the King only Diana accidental? Diana the main plan and the King accidental? Or both somehow was known to kill 2 birds with one stone? These ideas do make one think. Thank you.

I don't think Miesner will bring a very special child back to Portland, people died for her to be protected. Meisner could let us know in season 5 if he was working for Renard, when he phones or computer message him with a pic of Renard's daughter or video cam to let him know his plan went according to plan his daughter is safe, but it was needed to kill the king ....... I think meisner called Renard , when he learn Kelly was killed and diana was taken and that's , when Sean made the not so difficult choice to save diana even if it means if they had to kill his father.

That works but my next question would be we didn't see anyone but the Nick's crew knowing Kelly was dead and Diana taken. Renard was with Monroe and Rosalee but might have him receive a mysterious phone call or voice mail off camera from Miesner, but wouldn't that had have placed Miesner at the house? Your thoughts?

Meisner could have contacted Renard once he return back in his office...he usually have 2 phones one a decoy the other private...and he does get alot of cryptic message on his computer...Miesner could have contacted Renard after he followed the king and diana to the mansion..and Renard tells meisner at any cost save Diana, including if need be kill his father.. I think Renard knew , before Hank came to fill him in, didn't you find it a little strange of how Renard took the news that his daughter was gone...seemed to calm, like maybe he knew something

(05-24-2015, 06:28 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 05:15 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 02:01 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 01:23 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 12:19 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: I agree if the Renard had known the King was in town I could well see the order to kill him possible but that would make the saving of Diana accidental not part of the plan. There ( as I see it) was no way Renard could have known the Kenneth would get Diana and call for the chopper that night. I could see Meisner just waiting for the chopper call but how long would he be able to wait? That helicopter would have been check by Raspoil men off and on an Meisner was known so he could not have been waiting long.

So we have killing the King only Diana accidental? Diana the main plan and the King accidental? Or both somehow was known to kill 2 birds with one stone? These ideas do make one think. Thank you.

I don't think Miesner will bring a very special child back to Portland, people died for her to be protected. Meisner could let us know in season 5 if he was working for Renard, when he phones or computer message him with a pic of Renard's daughter or video cam to let him know his plan went according to plan his daughter is safe, but it was needed to kill the king ....... I think meisner called Renard , when he learn Kelly was killed and diana was taken and that's , when Sean made the not so difficult choice to save diana even if it means if they had to kill his father.

That works but my next question would be we didn't see anyone but the Nick's crew knowing Kelly was dead and Diana taken. Renard was with Monroe and Rosalee but might have him receive a mysterious phone call or voice mail off camera from Miesner, but wouldn't that had have placed Miesner at the house? Your thoughts?

Meisner could have contacted Renard once he return back in his office...he usually have 2 phones one a decoy the other private...and he does get alot of cryptic message on his computer...Miesner could have contacted Renard after he followed the king and diana to the mansion..and Renard tells meisner at any cost save Diana, including if need be kill his father.. I think Renard knew , before Hank came to fill him in, didn't you find it a little strange of how Renard took the news that his daughter was gone...seemed to calm, like maybe he knew something

Good point with his connects in EU. might have well knew his father was in the U.S. and had Meisner on hand that works for me. Good exchange. Thanks

(05-24-2015, 06:28 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 05:15 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 02:01 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 01:23 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 12:19 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: I agree if the Renard had known the King was in town I could well see the order to kill him possible but that would make the saving of Diana accidental not part of the plan. There ( as I see it) was no way Renard could have known the Kenneth would get Diana and call for the chopper that night. I could see Meisner just waiting for the chopper call but how long would he be able to wait? That helicopter would have been check by Raspoil men off and on an Meisner was known so he could not have been waiting long.

So we have killing the King only Diana accidental? Diana the main plan and the King accidental? Or both somehow was known to kill 2 birds with one stone? These ideas do make one think. Thank you.

I don't think Miesner will bring a very special child back to Portland, people died for her to be protected. Meisner could let us know in season 5 if he was working for Renard, when he phones or computer message him with a pic of Renard's daughter or video cam to let him know his plan went according to plan his daughter is safe, but it was needed to kill the king ....... I think meisner called Renard , when he learn Kelly was killed and diana was taken and that's , when Sean made the not so difficult choice to save diana even if it means if they had to kill his father.

That works but my next question would be we didn't see anyone but the Nick's crew knowing Kelly was dead and Diana taken. Renard was with Monroe and Rosalee but might have him receive a mysterious phone call or voice mail off camera from Miesner, but wouldn't that had have placed Miesner at the house? Your thoughts?

Meisner could have contacted Renard once he return back in his office...he usually have 2 phones one a decoy the other private...and he does get alot of cryptic message on his computer...Miesner could have contacted Renard after he followed the king and diana to the mansion..and Renard tells meisner at any cost save Diana, including if need be kill his father.. I think Renard knew , before Hank came to fill him in, didn't you find it a little strange of how Renard took the news that his daughter was gone...seemed to calm, like maybe he knew something

Good point with his connects in EU. might have well knew his father was in the U.S. and had Meisner on hand that works for me. Good exchange. Thanks

(05-25-2015, 05:22 AM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 06:28 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 05:15 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 02:01 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 01:23 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote: I don't think Miesner will bring a very special child back to Portland, people died for her to be protected. Meisner could let us know in season 5 if he was working for Renard, when he phones or computer message him with a pic of Renard's daughter or video cam to let him know his plan went according to plan his daughter is safe, but it was needed to kill the king ....... I think meisner called Renard , when he learn Kelly was killed and diana was taken and that's , when Sean made the not so difficult choice to save diana even if it means if they had to kill his father.

That works but my next question would be we didn't see anyone but the Nick's crew knowing Kelly was dead and Diana taken. Renard was with Monroe and Rosalee but might have him receive a mysterious phone call or voice mail off camera from Miesner, but wouldn't that had have placed Miesner at the house? Your thoughts?

Meisner could have contacted Renard once he return back in his office...he usually have 2 phones one a decoy the other private...and he does get alot of cryptic message on his computer...Miesner could have contacted Renard after he followed the king and diana to the mansion..and Renard tells meisner at any cost save Diana, including if need be kill his father.. I think Renard knew , before Hank came to fill him in, didn't you find it a little strange of how Renard took the news that his daughter was gone...seemed to calm, like maybe he knew something

Good point with his connects in EU. might have well knew his father was in the U.S. and had Meisner on hand that works for me. Good exchange. Thanks

Another thought...Meisner informed Renard , while heading to the airport, thinking they would go straight there...and Happen across the helicopter the royals were going to use to get diana out of the city . He informs Renard who smartly guess that his father would not use a helicopter unless they are flying to a ship or another airport. Renard tells his friend to be careful; and bring back his daughter safe

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(05-24-2015, 06:28 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 05:15 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 02:01 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(05-24-2015, 01:23 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote: I don't think Miesner will bring a very special child back to Portland, people died for her to be protected. Meisner could let us know in season 5 if he was working for Renard, when he phones or computer message him with a pic of Renard's daughter or video cam to let him know his plan went according to plan his daughter is safe, but it was needed to kill the king ....... I think meisner called Renard , when he learn Kelly was killed and diana was taken and that's , when Sean made the not so difficult choice to save diana even if it means if they had to kill his father.

That works but my next question would be we didn't see anyone but the Nick's crew knowing Kelly was dead and Diana taken. Renard was with Monroe and Rosalee but might have him receive a mysterious phone call or voice mail off camera from Miesner, but wouldn't that had have placed Miesner at the house? Your thoughts?

Meisner could have contacted Renard once he return back in his office...he usually have 2 phones one a decoy the other private...and he does get alot of cryptic message on his computer...Miesner could have contacted Renard after he followed the king and diana to the mansion..and Renard tells meisner at any cost save Diana, including if need be kill his father.. I think Renard knew , before Hank came to fill him in, didn't you find it a little strange of how Renard took the news that his daughter was gone...seemed to calm, like maybe he knew something

Good point with his connects in EU. might have well knew his father was in the U.S. and had Meisner on hand that works for me. Good exchange. Thanks

Another thought...Meisner informed Renard , while heading to the airport, thinking they would go straight there...and Happen across the helicopter the royals were going to use to get diana out of the city . He informs Renard who smartly guess that his father would not use a helicopter unless they are flying to a ship or another airport. Renard tells his friend to be careful; and bring back his daughter safe