(07-02-2017, 08:20 PM)silver Wrote: Sure, Diana wasn't necessary but that's true of anyone. It could very well be that Diana (the actress) was placed in the series because someone wanted to promote her career.

I'm fairly certain Diana knew she had a (half) brother, Kelly, by Nick but I think it opened her eyes when she got mad that Nick was parading as Renard and threw him across the room, but when Adalind ran over to him to see if he was ok and hug him, she couldn't explain away the love they obviously had for each other. I liked her line when visiting daddy Renard about then I guess we all love each other. Very innocent - for someone who can kill at the drop of a hat.

And I'm not sure Adalind was at a place, psychically to be a half way decent parent at that time. By the time she was pregnant by Nick, she was truly ripe for a good parent role.

(07-02-2017, 08:58 PM)dicappatore Wrote:

(07-02-2017, 08:20 PM)silver Wrote: Sure, Diana wasn't necessary but that's true of anyone. It could very well be that Diana (the actress) was placed in the series because someone wanted to promote her career.

I'm fairly certain Diana knew she had a (half) brother, Kelly, by Nick but I think it opened her eyes when she got mad that Nick was parading as Renard and threw him across the room, but when Adalind ran over to him to see if he was ok and hug him, she couldn't explain away the love they obviously had for each other. I liked her line when visiting daddy Renard about then I guess we all love each other. Very innocent - for someone who can kill at the drop of a hat.

And I'm not sure Adalind was at a place, psychically to be a half way decent parent at that time. By the time she was pregnant by Nick, she was truly ripe for a good parent role.

I could be wrong on this, but I do recall Adalind telling Diana to stop trying to force her and Renard to each other and to stop killing others. I guess it included Nick.

I guess Diana also respected Nick because of her "Other Mother" Kelly whom was actually the mom she knew best. As for Kelly taking the child? Baby Diana was handed back to Kelly by her Dad, Sean.

(07-02-2017, 08:58 PM)dicappatore Wrote:

(07-02-2017, 08:20 PM)silver Wrote: Sure, Diana wasn't necessary but that's true of anyone. It could very well be that Diana (the actress) was placed in the series because someone wanted to promote her career.

I'm fairly certain Diana knew she had a (half) brother, Kelly, by Nick but I think it opened her eyes when she got mad that Nick was parading as Renard and threw him across the room, but when Adalind ran over to him to see if he was ok and hug him, she couldn't explain away the love they obviously had for each other. I liked her line when visiting daddy Renard about then I guess we all love each other. Very innocent - for someone who can kill at the drop of a hat.

And I'm not sure Adalind was at a place, psychically to be a half way decent parent at that time. By the time she was pregnant by Nick, she was truly ripe for a good parent role.

I could be wrong on this, but I do recall Adalind telling Diana to stop trying to force her and Renard to each other and to stop killing others. I guess it included Nick.

I guess Diana also respected Nick because of her "Other Mother" Kelly whom was actually the mom she knew best. As for Kelly taking the child? Baby Diana was handed back to Kelly by her Dad, Sean.

(07-02-2017, 10:46 PM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(07-02-2017, 08:58 PM)dicappatore Wrote:

(07-02-2017, 08:20 PM)silver Wrote: Sure, Diana wasn't necessary but that's true of anyone. It could very well be that Diana (the actress) was placed in the series because someone wanted to promote her career.

I'm fairly certain Diana knew she had a (half) brother, Kelly, by Nick but I think it opened her eyes when she got mad that Nick was parading as Renard and threw him across the room, but when Adalind ran over to him to see if he was ok and hug him, she couldn't explain away the love they obviously had for each other. I liked her line when visiting daddy Renard about then I guess we all love each other. Very innocent - for someone who can kill at the drop of a hat.

And I'm not sure Adalind was at a place, psychically to be a half way decent parent at that time. By the time she was pregnant by Nick, she was truly ripe for a good parent role.

I could be wrong on this, but I do recall Adalind telling Diana to stop trying to force her and Renard to each other and to stop killing others. I guess it included Nick.

I guess Diana also respected Nick because of her "Other Mother" Kelly whom was actually the mom she knew best. As for Kelly taking the child? Baby Diana was handed back to Kelly by her Dad, Sean.

Sean may have handed Diana to Kelly but he did it without consulting Adalind first. Diana was effectively stolen from Adalind. That scene in the street outside the police station was testament to that.

I know Adalind did tell Diana not make her and Renard do things they didn't want. She may have also mentioned something to her about killing people being a no-no.

(07-02-2017, 07:56 PM)rpmaluki Wrote: They never explained why she killed Rachel but didn't touch Nick. I think it had to do with Adalind. When she visits Sean in his new home and he tries planting some seeds in her head about Nick, she responded by saying something like men shouldn't hurt mommies. Diana saw Rachel as a threat not just to her family but to Adalind's place in Renard's life so she acted against her. Nick, so far hasn't been a visible threat to Adalind but he is to Renard's place in Adalind's life, he also faked being Renard for reasons he couldn't properly explain and she still doesn't go after him. I believe Diana has a deeper connection to Adalind than she does to Renard and it could be because of the ritual mother and daughter both underwent. When she was in the foster care, she drew sketches of Adalind and had a Brothers Grimm book of fairytales in her room, that could be another explanation. Rachel was a complete stranger but Nick isn't. He's the father of her brother and the son of her "other mother".

(07-03-2017, 05:17 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(07-02-2017, 07:56 PM)rpmaluki Wrote: They never explained why she killed Rachel but didn't touch Nick. I think it had to do with Adalind. When she visits Sean in his new home and he tries planting some seeds in her head about Nick, she responded by saying something like men shouldn't hurt mommies. Diana saw Rachel as a threat not just to her family but to Adalind's place in Renard's life so she acted against her. Nick, so far hasn't been a visible threat to Adalind but he is to Renard's place in Adalind's life, he also faked being Renard for reasons he couldn't properly explain and she still doesn't go after him. I believe Diana has a deeper connection to Adalind than she does to Renard and it could be because of the ritual mother and daughter both underwent. When she was in the foster care, she drew sketches of Adalind and had a Brothers Grimm book of fairytales in her room, that could be another explanation. Rachel was a complete stranger but Nick isn't. He's the father of her brother and the son of her "other mother".

Good points, I would add that she had lived with Mom and Dad at the house and had learn that there was no love between Sean and Adalind. Now at Nick fome she learn what love was. When Nick came back for the second time with the staff he gave her a hug and she had seen what the other's hadn't the fight in that fight see seen Kelly. Now if any of that plays a role it has to be a long term. Short term was she seen Adalind love NIck not Daddy.

(07-02-2017, 08:20 PM)silver Wrote: Sure, Diana wasn't necessary but that's true of anyone. It could very well be that Diana (the actress) was placed in the series because someone wanted to promote her career.

I'm fairly certain Diana knew she had a (half) brother, Kelly, by Nick but I think it opened her eyes when she got mad that Nick was parading as Renard and threw him across the room, but when Adalind ran over to him to see if he was ok and hug him, she couldn't explain away the love they obviously had for each other. I liked her line when visiting daddy Renard about then I guess we all love each other. Very innocent - for someone who can kill at the drop of a hat.

And I'm not sure Adalind was at a place, psychically to be a half way decent parent at that time. By the time she was pregnant by Nick, she was truly ripe for a good parent role.

(07-03-2017, 04:08 PM)irukandji Wrote: Why give a child such powers then if the creative team was going to leave her as a child? You can see in some scenes where Renard and Adalind are leery of her, and she's their child.

(07-04-2017, 06:34 AM)Robyn Wrote: Because really, was there ever a ‘good guy’ character who didn’t believe the sun rose and set in Nick Burkhardt, the Grimm?