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kelly burkhardt: "I don't trust anybody I'm not close enough to kill."

except that she always trusted juliette for no reason.
(05-13-2017 08:03 PM)WispyWillow Wrote: [ -> ]kelly burkhardt: "I don't trust anybody I'm not close enough to kill."

except that she always trusted juliette for no reason.

Nick trusted Juliette.
When Kelly was tasked with protecting the mother and child on the next step of their journey, she arrived at the transfer site hours before the appointed time. She strategically positioned herself and was prepared to counter unanticipated interference in the plan. That’s the character established during the first three seasons.

Kelly didn’t have reason to suspect Juliette when Nick lives with, trusts, and wants to marry her. It was actually Nick who dropped the ball in Juliette’s slide to the dark side. I get that he was reacting as a man losing the woman he loves. But as a Grimm and detective, informing his mother that Juliette could no longer be trusted should have been a priority.

Kelly waltzing up to a dark house with Diana in tow was completely out of character. But the death scene was contrived to create a quick and easy path to conclusion - her brutal demise and setting up Diana and Meisner for S5. It would be wrong for one poorly constructed scene to negate everything we had learned about the character.
(05-14-2017 06:08 AM)Robyn Wrote: [ -> ]When Kelly was tasked with protecting the mother and child on the next step of their journey, she arrived at the transfer site hours before the appointed time. She strategically positioned herself and was prepared to counter unanticipated interference in the plan. That’s the character established during the first three seasons.

Kelly didn’t have reason to suspect Juliette when Nick lives with, trusts, and wants to marry her. It was actually Nick who dropped the ball in Juliette’s slide to the dark side. I get that he was reacting as a man losing the woman he loves. But as a Grimm and detective, informing his mother that Juliette could no longer be trusted should have been a priority.

Kelly waltzing up to a dark house with Diana in tow was completely out of character. But the death scene was contrived to create a quick and easy path to conclusion - her brutal demise and setting up Diana and Meisner for S5. It would be wrong for one poorly constructed scene to negate everything we had learned about the character.

meant about kelly trusting her since season 2. she knew nick loved juliette but she never met her before juliette tracked her emails. wasn't juliette able to figure out from which town kelly sent the e-mail? kelly left town before juliette woke up from the coma. shouldn't paranoid kelly have been at least worried that someone found out about her sending e-mails to nick and was pretending to be juliette
(05-14-2017 06:40 AM)WispyWillow Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-14-2017 06:08 AM)Robyn Wrote: [ -> ]When Kelly was tasked with protecting the mother and child on the next step of their journey, she arrived at the transfer site hours before the appointed time. She strategically positioned herself and was prepared to counter unanticipated interference in the plan. That’s the character established during the first three seasons.

Kelly didn’t have reason to suspect Juliette when Nick lives with, trusts, and wants to marry her. It was actually Nick who dropped the ball in Juliette’s slide to the dark side. I get that he was reacting as a man losing the woman he loves. But as a Grimm and detective, informing his mother that Juliette could no longer be trusted should have been a priority.

Kelly waltzing up to a dark house with Diana in tow was completely out of character. But the death scene was contrived to create a quick and easy path to conclusion - her brutal demise and setting up Diana and Meisner for S5. It would be wrong for one poorly constructed scene to negate everything we had learned about the character.

meant about kelly trusting her since season 2. she knew nick loved juliette but she never met her before juliette tracked her emails. wasn't juliette able to figure out from which town kelly sent the e-mail? kelly left town before juliette woke up from the coma. shouldn't paranoid kelly have been at least worried that someone found out about her sending e-mails to nick and was pretending to be juliette
Kelly and Juliette worked together during the kidnapping situation. Kelly had every reason to trust Juliette.
(05-14-2017 06:40 AM)WispyWillow Wrote: [ -> ]meant about kelly trusting her since season 2. she knew nick loved juliette but she never met her before juliette tracked her emails. wasn't juliette able to figure out from which town kelly sent the e-mail? kelly left town before juliette woke up from the coma. shouldn't paranoid kelly have been at least worried that someone found out about her sending e-mails to nick and was pretending to be juliette
Don’t remember when or why, but Juliette was designated as the email contact for correspondence. So Kelly getting an email only from Juliette wouldn’t be an automatic flag.

Eric's right, Juliette was a willing accomplish in Kelly kidnapping Diana, compound that with Nick’s love/trust of Juliette and Kelly’s trust isn’t unfounded.

Kelly absolutely should have questioned an email that simply said Nick is in danger, come quick. And her suspicions should have flown through the roof when she arrived at a dark house after Juliette telling her on the phone to come on in the door’s unlocked. But now we’re back to the poorly constructed scene designed to kill off Kelly easily and quickly. We can either allow one scene to negatively effect established characterization or see it for what it is - G & K blatantly disregarding established characterization.
(05-14-2017 07:16 AM)Robyn Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-14-2017 06:40 AM)WispyWillow Wrote: [ -> ]meant about kelly trusting her since season 2. she knew nick loved juliette but she never met her before juliette tracked her emails. wasn't juliette able to figure out from which town kelly sent the e-mail? kelly left town before juliette woke up from the coma. shouldn't paranoid kelly have been at least worried that someone found out about her sending e-mails to nick and was pretending to be juliette
Don’t remember when or why, but Juliette was designated as the email contact for correspondence. So Kelly getting an email only from Juliette wouldn’t be an automatic flag.

Eric's right, Juliette was a willing accomplish in Kelly kidnapping Diana, compound that with Nick’s love/trust of Juliette and Kelly’s trust isn’t unfounded.

Kelly absolutely should have questioned an email that simply said Nick is in danger, come quick. And her suspicions should have flown through the roof when she arrived at a dark house after Juliette telling her on the phone to come on in the door’s unlocked. But now we’re back to the poorly constructed scene designed to kill off Kelly easily and quickly. We can either allow one scene to negatively effect established characterization or see it for what it is - G & K blatantly disregarding established characterization.
Hi Robyn,
I agree. Kelly trusted Juliette. Juliette betrayed her trust and Kelly paid with her life. The real character, the epitome of Grimm, Kelly Burkhardt would never have been so careless. She would have taken President Reagan's words "trust, but verify" to heart, turn the trap around, and kill those who plotted against her life, including Juliette. G&K not only disregarded established characterization but managed to insult many loyal fans. To compound the offense after the Scoobies killed all of Kelly's attackers, they brought back the most offensive one Juliette the Betrayer after declaring her dead in multiple interviews. Did they intentionally create FrankenEve to force NBC to cancel the show?
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(05-14-2017 07:16 AM)Robyn Wrote: [ -> ]Kelly absolutely should have questioned an email that simply said Nick is in danger, come quick. And her suspicions should have flown through the roof when she arrived at a dark house after Juliette telling her on the phone to come on in the door’s unlocked. But now we’re back to the poorly constructed scene designed to kill off Kelly easily and quickly. We can either allow one scene to negatively effect established characterization or see it for what it is - G & K blatantly disregarding established characterization.

There were some strange circumstances that night that make me wonder if Kelly did question the email. For instance, how did Meisner know just where to go with his helicopter? It's been speculated that Trubel was conversing with Chavez on the phone while in the truck with Bud. Why were the arrows darted with a sleeping compound instead of poison? Nick's house was cleaned within an inch of its life. Meisner knew exactly where Kelly was buried.

If Kelly was told to go to the house anyway with the likelihood that she would be killed, would she?
The resistance made a deal to tolerate Viktor on the throne and to kill Freddie (who they probably would have killed for free anyway) for Viktor in exchange for Diana, and Meisner was part of the resistance as well as HW (or maybe just before, it was never really clear whether he changed over or if the resistance was chummy with HW, but my impression was the latter), so he would have obtained Freddie's travel plans from Viktor.

HW wanted Juliette alive so they could turn her. Once Chavez had recruited Trubel to HW she would have known that her original suspicion that Nick was a Grimm had been correct and that he had regained his powers, and if she was paying any attention at all to what was going on around him, she would have known Juliette had become a hexenbiest.

Meisner told Nick that it took them three days after they took Juliette to find where Kenneth had dumped Kelly's body. Not quite the same as knowing exactly where to find her.
(12-22-2018 12:29 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: [ -> ]Meisner told Nick that it took them three days after they took Juliette to find where Kenneth had dumped Kelly's body. Not quite the same as knowing exactly where to find her.

True, except that's not what I said. I said Meisner knew exactly where Kelly was buried.

(12-22-2018 12:29 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: [ -> ]The resistance made a deal to tolerate Viktor on the throne and to kill Freddie (who they probably would have killed for free anyway) for Viktor in exchange for Diana, and Meisner was part of the resistance as well as HW (or maybe just before, it was never really clear whether he changed over or if the resistance was chummy with HW, but my impression was the latter), so he would have obtained Freddie's travel plans from Viktor.

HW wanted Juliette alive so they could turn her. Once Chavez had recruited Trubel to HW she would have known that her original suspicion that Nick was a Grimm had been correct and that he had regained his powers, and if she was paying any attention at all to what was going on around him, she would have known Juliette had become a hexenbiest.

I know there was an exchange of Diana for Viktor taking the throne. But that didn't come from an email exchange between Kelly and Juliette.
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