(01-01-2019, 04:06 PM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Elizabeth is an experienced hexenbist that has been practicing for years for you to claim just beacuase she saved Sean’s life without anyone noticing means an untrained hexenbist who’s been a hexenbist for about a month or two can do the same is just you reaching. Your trying to find any excuse for Juliette. Please inform me of one single situation in which season 4 Juliete attempted to kill someone without them noticing if not please stop making up nonsense.
It has nothing to do with experience. It has to do with people seeing something and knowing what they see. Basically it is seeing magic and recognizing that it is magic since to the people it does not exist. It is the reasoning that if anyone claimed she is using magic they would be seen as crazy.
Quote:The Royals original plan was to find Kelly and go after her and to get the child, there wasn’t even a single hint that they were planning on luring her to town Until after Kenneth started working with Juliette, she confirmed to Kenneth Nick had a way to contact Kelly and he came up with idea to lure her to town.
Then why did Adalind go to the house to kidnap Juliette.
Quote:Also besides Adalind giving Kelly’s name to the Royals after a week of torture and her half assed attempt to kidnapp Juliette what did Adalind do to help the Royals.
Juliette on the other hand lured Kelly into a deadly ambush and give her false information to make her feel like she was safe causing Kelly to drop her guard and walk helplessly into a deadly ambush, she then goes that very night and tries to murder Kelly’s only child.
ADalind giving the Royals information would be expected because she wanted her child back. Adalind going after Juliette to help get her child back makes sense. My argument is once she changed sides she should have told Nick. Juliette helping the Royals to get Diana to punish Adalind makes sense. Your argument is based on your feeling that Juliette owed something to Kelly. My argument is what did she owe Kelly. Kelly is the one that brought Adadlind into the picture. Nick had choose to side with Adalind instead of her, no matter the reason. Would he be expected to try an protect his child yes. but that does not change Juliettes view that Nick is now siding with Adalind. It is not excusing Juliette because there is nothing to excuse her for. The fact is Kelly is a Grimm Juliette is a hexenbiest, in the wesen world A hexenbiest is expected to go after Grimms. We know this because that was the rational used when Kelly found out that Adalind tried to kill Mari. We also saw this logic when Kelly and Sean talked and admitted anyother time they would have killed each other.
Quote:Also yes Trubel ambushed her however if Juliette is as powerful as you claim she simply could have stopped Trubel after all Trubel didn’t just shoot her right away she said goodbye Juliette, your telling me your superbiest Juliette couldn’t stop Trubel in those few seconds.
You are not considering all that was going on. For one Juliettes fame of mind, she had told Nick to kill her. The second thing Juliette was not even using the level of her abilities that she used fighting with Adalind. That would show she was more likely trying to piss him off so he would retaliate and kill her. That entire seen was Juliette exit scene which she played as someone who had given up.
The bottom line is the show has established cannon for the wesen universe. In the wesen universe it is acceptable that the strong prey on the weak. It is also established that humans do not and can not believe there exist anything that would defy the laws of physics. Unlike other shows they may not know supernatural exist but once informed it makes since. In Grimm that logic does not exist. We know this by the machinations they send each character through when they find out.
You apply all these reason why you feel kelly is the victim. IN the human world they would hold true. But Kelly is part of the wesen world and wesen rules apply. In the wesen world Kelly is the predator not the victim. IN both worlds Juliette has reason to be mad at Kelly or at least be ambivalent about what happens to her. Your entire argument about Juliette and loyalty to Kelly is based on Kelly being Nick mother. Yet Kellly did not raise him. Mari did, yet you have no negative positions about the fact that Adalind tried, and then sent someone to kill the women that was more mother to Nick then his own mother. But like I said earlier, that was a hexenbiest going after a Grimm, something that was accepted by even Kelly. So why would it be different with Juliette going after Kelly.
The resistance hired Kelly to get Diana from the Royals. Adalind was not a consideration. It is stated Kelly did not even know who Adalind was. I agree with the other post it is misguided to see betrayal. Juliette owed Kelly nothing. Basing your view on biology ignores that biology does not make someone a parent. would a parent have put their child in the middle of what would be a major fight by deceiving both the Royals and the resistance. Then leaving their child to clean up the mess. That is why I say, Juliette has reason for being mad that Nicks mom dumped this big pile of trouble on their doorstep. Then left leaving them to deal with a very pissed off hexenbiest. A pissed off hexenbiest who's revenge directly and indirectly, complete changed her life. To have sympathy for Kelly, why she is a mercenary, that kills for money. You argue Kelly deserves sympathy because she is Nick mother. She left to protect Nick. The threat was long gone, if she was a mother then why not come back for her child. When she did come back, she gets the coins only to take off again. Only to reaper putting Nick in danger. To you still see Kelly as being motherly. You can't argue that Kelly leaving Nick as a child was to protect him. But then not fault her for bringing danger, (Adalind and Diana) to his door step.
I’m not basing anything on my feelings I’m basing it on show canon and on show canon, Juliette betraying Kelly is considered a horrible thing, Eve herself stated she would never forgive Juliette, you can sugar coat it all you want but Juliette played a major role in the deaths of her innocent neighbors and her boyfriends mom a woman who tried to save her life while she was in a comma. Everyone on the show saw Juliette’s betrayal as a great crime even the verat leader and Kenneth were shocked at just how far she went.
Also you claiming that somehow all Wesen are inherently worse than humans and they all have a complete different set of rules is just utter nonsense, yes some Wesen particularly the predatory ones have very violent and archaic cultures and traditions just as many groups of humans have had in the past and some still have to this very day. The Royals who were humans for example have been shown to be just as predatory and cruel and as violent if not even more violent than even the very worst Wesen. The Royals basically subjugated the Wesen for centuries and even used Grimms to help control them in the past.
If majority Wesen were as crazy and ruless as you claim they surely wouldn’t have had to hide and pretend they were normal and have to obediently follow the rules of the council and the Royals and there would be no need for a BC to supposedly liberate and free them.
What you stated above is made up BS it has nothing to do with canon whatsoever.
Also who says I’m ok with Adalind being responsible for attempting to kill Marie or hiring the men who caused Marie’s heart attack along with the cancer she had. Nick had every right to kill Adalind in 1x17 and he probably should have killed Adalind along with taking her powers. However Adalind was an enemy who was sent to take out her target she didn’t know Nick or Marie at the time she was a borderline scociopath carrying out orders.
Also please do a rewatch, Kelly raised Nick for the first 12 years of his life she didn’t just pop him out and hand him over
for Marie to raise, she played a more prominent part in his childhood than Marie. She only left have because she had to after his father was murderd, the men that killed him were still after Kelly what was she suppose to do stay with Nick and risk getting him killed as well.
Adalind and Juliettes crimes were certainly as equally bad against Marie and Kelly, however Comparing what Adalind did to Marie and what Juliette did to Kelly is totally like comparing apples and oranges, one was an unknown enemy on a mission the other was on a vendetta against a man who trusted and loved her.
Juliette was the biggest love in Nicks life at the time they been together 7 years, she burned all his family’s legacy then she used the trust Nick had placed in her by allowing her to regularly contact his mother via email to lure Kelly into a deadly ambush, Juliette done all this to get her so called revenge for a decision she herself made no one forced her to help Nick get his powers back.
Please don’t claim you are using canon hardly anything you’ve stated matches what took place on screen it’s just you making up any old excuse for Juliette.