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But juliette knew very well how to handle a gun, she would not have needed to become "Hexenbiest".
I'm not talking about ability, but about frame of mind.
it is amazing. All the arguments hinge on Juliette killing Adalind in the station. Why would Juliette kill her. Would it make more sense to torment her. As we saw in her other actions she would create fear in her victims. The arguments also hinge on because Juliette was in a police station she would be arrested for a crime. Both arguments ignore one big fact. Juliette is a hexenbiest. This means she could cause great pain without even gong near Adalind. Exactly what would they arrest her on? being in the room. Sure Nick and Sean would know what was happening but what could they say. Juliette is using magic to hurt Adalind.
But the biggest tell that she was not going to kill Adalind was because she didn't. If she was any character other then a hexenbiest, then opportunity would be the answer. But with magic, she could do like she did in the restaurant. As she was walking out blow her head up. Like in the restaurant no one other then Nick would associate the event with her.

The arguments seem to be motivated by an interpretation of duty and obligation. No matter the reasoning, the result was appeasing Adalind and pissing off Juliette. I see rationalization of they weren't together, Juliette cheated on Nick. But no consideration of Nick and Juliette having seven years of loving each other. Juliette being tormented, and turned into a hexenbiest by Adalind. Yet you feel because Adalind is carrying his child. She deserves to be appeased at Juliette's expense. There is one other point. Is it really wise to piss off a hexenbiest with Juliettte's power. Name one of her or Eve's kills that could be linked back to her. Others may know she was the one, but no one could prove it. So why would she be arrested for attacking Adalind in the station, how would they know it was her.

Quote:But juliette knew very well how to handle a gun, she would not have needed to become "Hexenbiest".
a gun verses being hexenbiest. A gun leaves evidence, using magic doesn't. She can take your gun, you can't stop her magic. You have to have your gun with you. You are never without your magic. In the wesen world being a hexenbiest is a lot preferable then having a gun.
(12-30-2018, 02:05 AM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]it is amazing. All the arguments hinge on Juliette killing Adalind in the station. Why would Juliette kill her. Would it make more sense to torment her. As we saw in her other actions she would create fear in her victims. The arguments also hinge on because Juliette was in a police station she would be arrested for a crime. Both arguments ignore one big fact. Juliette is a hexenbiest. This means she could cause great pain without even gong near Adalind. Exactly what would they arrest her on? being in the room. Sure Nick and Sean would know what was happening but what could they say. Juliette is using magic to hurt Adalind.
But the biggest tell that she was not going to kill Adalind was because she didn't. If she was any character other then a hexenbiest, then opportunity would be the answer. But with magic, she could do like she did in the restaurant. As she was walking out blow her head up. Like in the restaurant no one other then Nick would associate the event with her.

The arguments seem to be motivated by an interpretation of duty and obligation. No matter the reasoning, the result was appeasing Adalind and pissing off Juliette. I see rationalization of they weren't together, Juliette cheated on Nick. But no consideration of Nick and Juliette having seven years of loving each other. Juliette being tormented, and turned into a hexenbiest by Adalind. Yet you feel because Adalind is carrying his child. She deserves to be appeased at Juliette's expense. There is one other point. Is it really wise to piss off a hexenbiest with Juliettte's power. Name one of her or Eve's kills that could be linked back to her. Others may know she was the one, but no one could prove it. So why would she be arrested for attacking Adalind in the station, how would they know it was her.

Quote:But juliette knew very well how to handle a gun, she would not have needed to become "Hexenbiest".
a gun verses being hexenbiest. A gun leaves evidence, using magic doesn't. She can take your gun, you can't stop her magic. You have to have your gun with you. You are never without your magic. In the wesen world being a hexenbiest is a lot preferable then having a gun.

Syscrash just more useless straw man arguments from you about the all powerful Juliette. Juliette was warned of dangers of using her powers in public, Henrietta repeatedly warned her of the dangers with statements like they used to burn witches at the stake so clearly her using her powers in the station full of cops would have been a huge risk for Juliette. Also do you think if Juliette tried using powers on Adalind she would just set there and took it no she would be attacking Juliette back in self defence and it would eventually lead to all hell breaking loose in the station, your point she could just kill Adalind without anyone knowing is utter nonsense.

Also if Juliette is so excellent as you claim at using powers in public without being caught why is it the first time she openly used her powers in public to assault a jerk in a bar she gets herself arrested for assault in 4x18.

Also your argument that she is just scaring Adalind doesn’t hold up one bit ,we were actually shown onscreen Juliette tried to murder her before the station and would have done so if not for a third party stepping in to get Adaling out of the way of the falling statue that would have killed her.

Juliette also would have killed Nick if Trubel hadn’t stopped her and Eve even reveled in season 5 to Trubel that she would have murdered both her and Nick if she wasn’t stopped.

Also go rewatch the show please Adalind didn’t turn Juliette into anything, Adalind was forced told sleep with Nick to take his powers in exchange for her seeing her kidnapped child again, the gang including Juliette kidnapped Diana and pretend Viktor had Diana forcing Adalind into that situation in the first place. Juliette agreed to help Nick regain his powers and unfortunately became a hexenbiest in the process. Adalind was indirectly involved in the situation that led up to Juliette becoming a hexenbiest, she had no clue Juliette would have to became a hexenbiest for Nick to be a Grimm again, she even stated multiple times she had no idea this would happen to Juliette.

Also if Juliette so powerful she could kill another hexenbist in a room full of cops if she wanted without anyone knowing, why couldn’t she help a death moaning Kelly downstairs while she was upstairs listening to her death.
(12-30-2018, 02:05 AM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]it is amazing. All the arguments hinge on Juliette killing Adalind in the station. Why would Juliette kill her. Would it make more sense to torment her. As we saw in her other actions she would create fear in her victims. The arguments also hinge on because Juliette was in a police station she would be arrested for a crime. Both arguments ignore one big fact. Juliette is a hexenbiest. This means she could cause great pain without even gong near Adalind. Exactly what would they arrest her on? being in the room. Sure Nick and Sean would know what was happening but what could they say. Juliette is using magic to hurt Adalind.
But the biggest tell that she was not going to kill Adalind was because she didn't. If she was any character other then a hexenbiest, then opportunity would be the answer. But with magic, she could do like she did in the restaurant. As she was walking out blow her head up. Like in the restaurant no one other then Nick would associate the event with her.

The arguments seem to be motivated by an interpretation of duty and obligation. No matter the reasoning, the result was appeasing Adalind and pissing off Juliette. I see rationalization of they weren't together, Juliette cheated on Nick. But no consideration of Nick and Juliette having seven years of loving each other. Juliette being tormented, and turned into a hexenbiest by Adalind. Yet you feel because Adalind is carrying his child. She deserves to be appeased at Juliette's expense. There is one other point. Is it really wise to piss off a hexenbiest with Juliettte's power. Name one of her or Eve's kills that could be linked back to her. Others may know she was the one, but no one could prove it. So why would she be arrested for attacking Adalind in the station, how would they know it was her.

Quote:But juliette knew very well how to handle a gun, she would not have needed to become "Hexenbiest".
a gun verses being hexenbiest. A gun leaves evidence, using magic doesn't. She can take your gun, you can't stop her magic. You have to have your gun with you. You are never without your magic. In the wesen world being a hexenbiest is a lot preferable then having a gun.

Your argument makes sense only if we were introduced to Juliette, Nick and Adalind in that scene in the precinct. You bring up the history of Nick and Juliette but negate all the other crap that occurred in previous scenes, the previous episode and the previous 3 flocking seasons which led up to that scene. You keep bragging about Juliette, her powers, she is a Hexenbiest, bla, bla, bla.

is the name of the show, Hexenbiest? Is the name of the show, Adalind? Is the name of the show, Juliette? No, the show's name is Grimm and Nick is "The Grimm". What do Grimms do? They kill Wesen, and yes, even your glorified Hexenbiest Juliette. As Eve she was a more powerful hex but in that scene, she still had her training wheels on while Nick was an enhanced Grimm. You do recall his temporary blindness and his walking dead episodes made him an above average Grimm and Grimms do have a history of killing Hexenbiests.

I forgot whom of our contributors did a Grimm/Hexenbiest body count for all 6 seasons and I hate to rain, actually, I love to rain on your parade, but your beloved Hex count came up above the Grimm count. And No, Marie was not in the count since she died of natural causes, unlike Catherine Shade, unless you consider impaled by mirror glass shards as natural causes.

Whats the point? You can brag about your favorite character attributes and I can do the same about mines. Only difference is, like playing Briscola, and we were bragging about what hand we were holding, in reality, I'm holding all trump cards and you have just nice aces for me to trump you up and take your nice points.
Juliette must have been imprisoned for threats to Adalind.
That would have been right.She did not need to become "Hexenbiest" to be bad.
As a simple human would have done harm too.
(12-29-2018, 06:10 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: [ -> ]At the time, Nick hadn't given up hope that Juliette could still be brought back down (his mom hadn't been killed yet), so the idea of keeping her from doing something there was no coming back from might have been a bigger consideration than Adalind's life. Juliette pre-hexenbiest would probably never have considered killing someone out of revenge.

Despite his statements to the contrary, it was fairly obvious that Nick gave up hope on Juliette the first time he found out she was a hexenbiest. And if Nick hadn't given up hope in the police station, he certainly hid it very well. This was all part of the grand plan on the creative team's part to make Juliette the evil nemesis so that Kelly would end up the martyr.

There's a lot of outrage over Juliette's betrayal of Kelly's trust, like having Kelly's trust was some kind of big deal. It wasn't. Kelly was just another thug who hired herself out to do whatever job her employer handed her, and then kidnapped a baby under the guise of protecting the world. We all saw how that turned out.

(12-30-2018, 05:31 AM)brandon Wrote: [ -> ]Juliette must have been imprisoned for threats to Adalind.
That would have been right.She did not need to become "Hexenbiest" to be bad.
As a simple human would have done harm too.

It really doesn't matter how she'd kill Adalind. The point I was making is that, if the series is going to let the characters kill to avenge or revenge, then Juliette was within her rights to kill Adalind.
(12-30-2018, 02:05 AM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]Juliette being tormented, and turned into a hexenbiest by Adalind. Yet you feel because Adalind is carrying his child. She deserves to be appeased at Juliette's expense.
For your information, Juliette was not “turned into a hexenbiest by Adalind”. This is what happened: Nick & co kidnaped Diana, and Adalind took Nicks powers to get her child back. Juliette became a Hexenbiest as a result of taking part in reversing the spell. Juliette supported and helped cover up the kidnapping of Diana. Adalind didn’t know Nick would get his powers back or that Juliette would be involved. So Adalinds responsibility for Juliette becoming a hexenbiest was only indirect.
(12-28-2018, 10:22 PM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]But Nick had choices, and sending Juliette away was a bad choice. He could of as easily asked Sean to look after ADalind while he and Juliette went off and figured out what next.
Well, Nick DID talk to Juliette in the previous episode, when she was in prison, and THIS is what she told him (s04e18): “You really think that you can just take off your clothes and crawl into bed with me again? And close your eyes? You know, I didn't need to let them arrest me”. She threatened to kill Nick and his son! The point was to hide Adalind, so Juliette could not kill her, while they were making the suppression potion – to help Juliette! Why would Nick want to leave with Juliette, so she could possible kill him, and then let her go to Renards place and kill Adalind?
(12-30-2018, 02:05 AM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]But the biggest tell that she was not going to kill Adalind was because she didn't.
That is not what Eve told Trubel when she asked if she would hurt Nick, Adalind and the child. She said she didn’t owe Juliette anything and that Juliette even would have killed Trubel. In addition, Juliette DID try to kill Adalind outside a shop window, Nick in his house and Monroe in the spice shop. All of these attempts were averted by a third party.
(12-30-2018, 09:12 AM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ]There's a lot of outrage over Juliette's betrayal of Kelly's trust, like having Kelly's trust was some kind of big deal. It wasn't. Kelly was just another thug who hired herself out to do whatever job her employer handed her, and then kidnapped a baby under the guise of protecting the world. We all saw how that turned out.

With posts like that, no wonder there is outrage!
(12-30-2018, 06:43 PM)N_grimm Wrote: [ -> ]With posts like that, no wonder there is outrage!

So.....tell me, what is the big deal about Kelly's trust?
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