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(05-30-2014, 01:29 PM)Berkilak de Hautdesert Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-30-2014, 09:18 AM)virgo79 Wrote: [ -> ]That kind of ultimatum isn't really Juliette's M.O., though. I could believe she might decide a Grimm's life isn't for her, but not thrusting an either/or situation on Nick. I think she would respect his choice to get his powers back, and if she left, the choice would be hers.

Wherever they end up, I don't see the Nick/Adalind thing being the deciding factor, though. That wasn't infidelity. I would personally define it as rape, though I suspect the show probably won't. I think it will be played as deception, and nothing more loaded than that.

It isn't Juliette's usual modus operandi, the ultimatum, that is. But everyone has their breaking point, and by her reaction in the car, you can see Juliette has reached hers. And if you can sit back logically and look at a situation, you can say, "Yes, you were tricked, I know you would have been faithful if you knew all the facts." But that's a reaction on a logical basis. You could see in the car that Juliette was reacting to it in an emotional basis, and emotion does not often rely on the facts. What I believe will happen is that Juliette will be calm and supportive with Nick having lost his Grimm sight (and possibly his Zombie powers?), but that's going to be a false front. As soon as the possibility of Nick getting his Grimmness back, that false front is going to vanish immediately, and allthe slights that Juliette has had to suffer are going to come boiling up, and it's going to be either/or time.

I absolutely agree it was an emotional reaction. But the thing about emotions is that they cool down, and leave room for logic. And Juliette has always been portrayed as being a creature of logic. A knee-jerk reaction made in a moment when you're overwhelmed and horrified doesn't necessarily dictate how you'll react to something when you've had some time and space to process it.

Juliette and Nick are both adults, and thus far the show has done a decent job of showing their interaction to be that of adults, in an established relationship, handling things (for the most part) with the maturity I would expect adults to show. I would hope that they don't undo that and have them handling things like teenagers, where it's all or nothing and there's no acknowledgement of what they've already shown themselves able to work through. (The flip side of having successfully weathered a lot of crap with somebody is that it can make a couple *more* able to endure hardship.) Time will tell, I suppose.
(06-01-2014, 09:58 AM)virgo79 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-30-2014, 01:29 PM)Berkilak de Hautdesert Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-30-2014, 09:18 AM)virgo79 Wrote: [ -> ]That kind of ultimatum isn't really Juliette's M.O., though. I could believe she might decide a Grimm's life isn't for her, but not thrusting an either/or situation on Nick. I think she would respect his choice to get his powers back, and if she left, the choice would be hers.

Wherever they end up, I don't see the Nick/Adalind thing being the deciding factor, though. That wasn't infidelity. I would personally define it as rape, though I suspect the show probably won't. I think it will be played as deception, and nothing more loaded than that.

It isn't Juliette's usual modus operandi, the ultimatum, that is. But everyone has their breaking point, and by her reaction in the car, you can see Juliette has reached hers. And if you can sit back logically and look at a situation, you can say, "Yes, you were tricked, I know you would have been faithful if you knew all the facts." But that's a reaction on a logical basis. You could see in the car that Juliette was reacting to it in an emotional basis, and emotion does not often rely on the facts. What I believe will happen is that Juliette will be calm and supportive with Nick having lost his Grimm sight (and possibly his Zombie powers?), but that's going to be a false front. As soon as the possibility of Nick getting his Grimmness back, that false front is going to vanish immediately, and allthe slights that Juliette has had to suffer are going to come boiling up, and it's going to be either/or time.

I absolutely agree it was an emotional reaction. But the thing about emotions is that they cool down, and leave room for logic. And Juliette has always been portrayed as being a creature of logic. A knee-jerk reaction made in a moment when you're overwhelmed and horrified doesn't necessarily dictate how you'll react to something when you've had some time and space to process it.

Juliette and Nick are both adults, and thus far the show has done a decent job of showing their interaction to be that of adults, in an established relationship, handling things (for the most part) with the maturity I would expect adults to show. I would hope that they don't undo that and have them handling things like teenagers, where it's all or nothing and there's no acknowledgement of what they've already shown themselves able to work through. (The flip side of having successfully weathered a lot of crap with somebody is that it can make a couple *more* able to endure hardship.) Time will tell, I suppose.

Divorces don't happen just to people who are always reacting in a knee jerk fashion. You can be calm, cool and collected, but emotional baggage keeps on building up and up and up. It's not two people reacting like teenagers. It's somebody who has tolerated and tolerated and tolerated and then reached an emotional breaking point. As Mark Twain once said, "Man is not the rational creature, he is the rationalizing creature." And people are funny. They can take all sorts of things in stride, and then they find out that someone has poked in a tender point they never knew they had. Like I've said previously, I thoroughly suspect that Nick will be finding new living quarters by the end of the first episode of the fourth season.
(06-01-2014, 05:40 PM)Berkilak de Hautdesert Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-01-2014, 09:58 AM)virgo79 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-30-2014, 01:29 PM)Berkilak de Hautdesert Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-30-2014, 09:18 AM)virgo79 Wrote: [ -> ]That kind of ultimatum isn't really Juliette's M.O., though. I could believe she might decide a Grimm's life isn't for her, but not thrusting an either/or situation on Nick. I think she would respect his choice to get his powers back, and if she left, the choice would be hers.

Wherever they end up, I don't see the Nick/Adalind thing being the deciding factor, though. That wasn't infidelity. I would personally define it as rape, though I suspect the show probably won't. I think it will be played as deception, and nothing more loaded than that.

It isn't Juliette's usual modus operandi, the ultimatum, that is. But everyone has their breaking point, and by her reaction in the car, you can see Juliette has reached hers. And if you can sit back logically and look at a situation, you can say, "Yes, you were tricked, I know you would have been faithful if you knew all the facts." But that's a reaction on a logical basis. You could see in the car that Juliette was reacting to it in an emotional basis, and emotion does not often rely on the facts. What I believe will happen is that Juliette will be calm and supportive with Nick having lost his Grimm sight (and possibly his Zombie powers?), but that's going to be a false front. As soon as the possibility of Nick getting his Grimmness back, that false front is going to vanish immediately, and allthe slights that Juliette has had to suffer are going to come boiling up, and it's going to be either/or time.

I absolutely agree it was an emotional reaction. But the thing about emotions is that they cool down, and leave room for logic. And Juliette has always been portrayed as being a creature of logic. A knee-jerk reaction made in a moment when you're overwhelmed and horrified doesn't necessarily dictate how you'll react to something when you've had some time and space to process it.

Juliette and Nick are both adults, and thus far the show has done a decent job of showing their interaction to be that of adults, in an established relationship, handling things (for the most part) with the maturity I would expect adults to show. I would hope that they don't undo that and have them handling things like teenagers, where it's all or nothing and there's no acknowledgement of what they've already shown themselves able to work through. (The flip side of having successfully weathered a lot of crap with somebody is that it can make a couple *more* able to endure hardship.) Time will tell, I suppose.

Divorces don't happen just to people who are always reacting in a knee jerk fashion. You can be calm, cool and collected, but emotional baggage keeps on building up and up and up. It's not two people reacting like teenagers. It's somebody who has tolerated and tolerated and tolerated and then reached an emotional breaking point. As Mark Twain once said, "Man is not the rational creature, he is the rationalizing creature." And people are funny. They can take all sorts of things in stride, and then they find out that someone has poked in a tender point they never knew they had. Like I've said previously, I thoroughly suspect that Nick will be finding new living quarters by the end of the first episode of the fourth season.

Oh, I don't think Juliette deciding she's had enough would be an immature decision, or even a knee-jerk one if she thought it through and decided that was what she felt was the right choice for her. I was talking about their interaction in the car being any kind of a deciding moment. I don't think that particular scene can stand as a reliable barometer of what kind of choices they'll make. And I don't see her voicing it in the form of an ultimatum to Nick -- that, I *do* feel would be a childish way of handling things. If it was an ultimatum issued over something that's been an ongoing problem, like Nick's cavalier assumptions that his loved ones will just jump to accommodate him, then I'd feel differently about it -- that's addressing a bad habit that's gone on and on and on. That's the sort of situation where an ultimatum is understandable. I'm actually surprised Nick hasn't gotten a few of those from several different people in his circle, to be honest.

But to say "choose me or choose being a Grimm" is different. That's telling someone to give up a part of themselves if they want to be with you, and that's never okay, in my book. I see that as childish. If someone's life is not for you, if it's too stressful, too dangerous, too whatever it might be, that's totally okay and understandable -- but you don't tell someone to choose when that part of their life is important to them. That's going to lead to resentment, sooner or later. You make the choice yourself and get out of the relationship.
We'll have to see then. Me personally, I think the car scene was a watershed moment. It's one of those times where you wish you hadn't said/done something, but now that it's out there, it's going to come out every time there's an argument or disagreement.
Thinking about Juliette, I wish the writer's would decide just who the character is going to be. In some episodes she is very engaged and supportive, like when she helps track Kelly's location in Europe. She can also be tough, as in the last episodes of S2 and the first ones of S3.

Then all of a sudden, she just becomes set dressing again... She doesn't know if she wants to be in on this or what. It's very frustrating and the major reason I don't like the character much.Sad
(05-06-2014, 11:22 AM)grimmfreak Wrote: [ -> ]I too was surprised by her reaction to Trubel. Didn't really fit with her character... Writers failed in this case IMO.

you forget after all she has dealt with from the weson community. An to have just finished dealing with Nick mom and adalind. The think she wa really gracious. i mean when is enough enough. she never signed up for all of this. And that was her attitude (here we go again).

Here is my question. Juliette is a vet. Not afraid to mixit up ("eyes of the beholder"), is a great marksman, and can solve mysteries. all of the qualities that would make for her being his perfect partner. Why would the writers give her all of this if they never meant for her and Nick to work together. Should have had her in the know and keep Hank in the Dark. The running joke would be she comes off as the noisy girl friend always looking for Nick, but it is just and excuse so Nick can use her on cases. In season three she makes an effort to work with the scooby's, even demands it. But they still do not make use of her skills or make her a valuable member. It looks like her place on the show might be short lived. I really expected her to have roselee's position of being the healer. But she is not the medical expert (roselee), not the brain (roselle and monroe), not the muscle (monroe), not even the sexual distraction (adalind), what is she? why is she there. You give here the qualifications to be a very important part but then cripple her involvement. Did Bitsie piss some one off, from the beginning her role does not seem to be what is was intended to be. OK season one she is in the Dark about weson. But by season two she is in the know but still seems not to be part of the scooby gang. If she was meant to be the clueless stay at home wife then why give her skills. You make her able to take care of here self but always keep her protected. She had more involvement and a chance to show what she can due during the zombie episodes then on any other. After the PTZD episode you sent her back to being the stay at home wife (what gives). I mean she is a vet what better wealth of knowledge to help weson when other doctors would not even think to look at the patient with an eye on animal physiology, as she did in "a dish best served cold" and again in "stories we tell our young". But even in these two cases it was only implied the knowledge was because of here vet skills. It should be more overt. It should be why they wrote her character as a vet.
I agree that they need to decide what to do with her. Do they make her a full part of the team, or is she just baggage?

I loved how she used her knowledge of chemistry to figure out how to deliver the zombie-antidote as a gas-grenade rather than having to inject everyone individually. That sort of thing needs to happen more often.

Or, alternatively, she needs to decide that it is just too much and that she'll apply for a job with a vet clinic very far away--like in Florida (about as far from Oregon as you can go without getting your feet wet).

One way or the other.
Sorry, but to me these are all reasons she needs to be killed off. She simply doesn't seem to fit in the show. In fact she is kind of a drag. Plus, now that Monroe is married, they really need Nick to be single. I also find it so hard to believe any man would propose to a woman and then let her string him along with a maybe that just keeps going and going. Juliette know everything now, but she seems to be less OK with everything that ever and her main contribution appears to be sighing a lot. I also don't see Nick and Juliette's relationship recovering from her telling him she's not sure she can handle him being a grimm like two hours before he loses his power. Whether or not he gets his power back that's a lot of ugliness hanging in the air between them.
(06-23-2014, 08:34 PM)Belle Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, but to me these are all reasons she needs to be killed off. She simply doesn't seem to fit in the show. In fact she is kind of a drag. Plus, now that Monroe is married, they really need Nick to be single. I also find it so hard to believe any man would propose to a woman and then let her string him along with a maybe that just keeps going and going. Juliette know everything now, but she seems to be less OK with everything that ever and her main contribution appears to be sighing a lot. I also don't see Nick and Juliette's relationship recovering from her telling him she's not sure she can handle him being a grimm like two hours before he loses his power. Whether or not he gets his power back that's a lot of ugliness hanging in the air between them.

I agree completely, I don't blame the actress, they writers have failed to make the character compelling enough for me to want her to be Nick's beau. First she wants to know what's going on, she gets told what's going on, and seemingly 5 minutes later is bitching and complaining about the life. I know she didn't sign up for the preternatural lifestyle, but she did sign up for being with a cop and that came with a whole set of its own problems. So it would seem Juliette needs to make a decision, either she wants to be with Nick as a Grimm or not, if no tell the poor man so he can get on with his life.
Don't you mean Nick's belle?
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