(10-26-2015, 06:24 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: [ -> ]I find this interesting in how do we rate character development? That is a subjective point each person can see it differently as I do. How much does even a real person change in 4 years unless there is a some major event.
I'll take each main character:
Nick find out he's a Grimm willing to ask for it from Monroe. I would say a big change for season 1. Season 2 take out the Juliette part, learn the royal and out to get him and meets his mother but he changes her on the wesen front helps Hank learn about wesen. Season 3 saves Diana from the royals even if he doesn't like Adalind. Works with Sean on some off the books problem. Trains Trubel and put her on a better path.
Season 4 again tries to save LBB from the royals. I could list more things I see as character develop, but granted others my not subjective.
Hank learns about wesen. Works with Nick to save Monroe. Understands his long time friend in a way he never would have without Nick. I see his character make major changes again subjective.
Renard (most complex character in series) in some ways we still don't know what his next move will be. Come 180 % from the first season (can't say full circle because he be back where he started 
). Yet we still with the king dead don't know how that will work into the Renard character?
Monroe in season 1 was a loner now he's out in the world working to help people. Has helped a Grimm of all things. Helped Rosalee in season 1 a total unknown but did it to help. Helped Hank like I said not a loner any longer.
Rosalee like the post on Bud had to overcome fear of Nick with Monroe help now is a main character and in some ways the backbone of the Scooby's. She has help ever member of the group in some way. Nick trusts her and the Scooby's with the keys.
Wu has faced his demons and won, maybe even more so than Hank. Trusts wesen when his first question was should we be hunting them do and killing them.
Subjectively I see all character have made major changes have grown into the parts and add to their parts.
But this and 5 dollars will get you a cup of coffee. Just my opinion.
jsgrimm45, I will disagree with you that.
Actually, I disagree on same parts. First, I understood your point and I agree with you when you say that no one has a big change on 4 years unless there a big happening in this someone life. The problem with that affirmation (in my opinion) is that we are talk about real life. We are talking about a story told in a TV series. Those stories, to be interesting, should describe the development of the story and this development affects the characters. I think grimm fail to describe the changes in the character.
Maybe the problem is not that the characters don’t grow. They grow. In my opinion the problem is that they don’t grow in the speed and direction I would like to see it. Explaining myself better… My problem with characters in grimm is that they only poorly react to things that act in the show… They don’t act first or they don’t learn, as a way to speak, with the happenings in their life. I am talking mainly about Nick.
Let’s compare Nick to Wu, for example. Nick learned he is a grimm and he stopped on that. We have talked about this in other posts. Nick never tried to understand how and why wesen reacts to him until Monroe wedding. Nick never tried to find other grimm. Wu, in another direction, as soon as he was told about wesen, he went to trailer and maybe he read more about the wesens described in the books than Nick did.
The way I see, Nick’s life changed because he is a grimm because different things happened. But I never saw Nick thinking being a grimm and how this would affect his life. He never talked to Juliette about this, for example.
Another sample, comparing Grimm to “Once Upon a Time” (I don’t like to compare different shows because I understand some times they have different ways to tell the story, but this time I will compare because I think this a good example of my point). In “Once Upon a Time”, for example, we see the evil queen trying to became a good person. The happenings in the show are always trying to send her in the bad way, bud she is always reacting to this trying to became good and to show to the others characters that she had changed. We see the changing. She is not just reacting but she is trying to have a better response to the hole story.
I don’t see this in Nick. He is not trying to assume control of his life. He is just reacting. I think this is what make us believe Nick is an underdeveloped character. The same goes to Juliette (even after the hexanbiest thing, she didn’t try to understand that and use it in her benefit… she just reacted to what the others characters did about this). Even the ones I think had some development, I think they could have had a better one, like Monroe, Rosalee and Hank.
I hope I could explain myself and could add some new perspectives to the debate.