On topic: I think the child would likely inherit one wesen DNA from one parent. Say they have twins one could be a blutabad the other a fuchsbau. But that is just my thoughts.
(05-30-2013, 10:13 PM)the-epic-prince Wrote: On topic: I think the child would likely inherit one wesen DNA from one parent. Say they have twins one could be a blutabad the other a fuchsbau. But that is just my thoughts.
If there is a genetic explanation behind wessen, this may work. However, it's still debatable whether the writers are going to go that route, or at least go that route with ALL wessen.
Proof for Genetics in Determining Wessen
1. Juliette discovered that that Wildermann DNA was different from anything she's seen before.
2. Wessen (and grimm) traits are inherited from parents
Proof Against Genetics
1. Adalind's storyline where she loses her powers
2. Adalind's storyline where she gains her powers
3. Adalind
Personally, I hope the show's creators stick with a genetics-based explanation for half-breeds, because I know their explanation will become a trainwreck if they go the supernatural route.
Monroe and Rosalee are both mammal type Wesen, but they ultimately look human, so there isn't much of a problem there if you just go "Magic!" and run away really fast. Magic really works however the writers say it works (or however the audience fills in the blanks, lol). Genetics are a bit trickier. Considering someone like Renard, it seems that Wesen blood at least "shows" in the offspring of direct descendants of humans and Wesen (assuming that Renard's Royal father is human). So Wesen DNA would be dominant at least in one case. IIRC, there's also the Ziegvolk -- they were hinted to use human women to breed, which suggests (although it does not outright state) that there is some sort of Wesen dominance in the offspring.
Of the top of my head, I can't remember any other "half breeds", but inter-Wesen (lol) romantic relationships or relationships with humans don't seem to be all that unnatural or uncommon in canon examples.
There was also that episode where a Wesen introduced the DNA of another Wesen into her son and the results were ... not good. But since that was done purposely and not through crossbreeding, the show hasn't said anything on how a "mixed" Wesen marriage might work.
Basically: I don't know.
"I can feed the caterpillar, I can whisper through the chrysalis, but what hatches follows its own nature and is beyond me."
-- Hannibal (TV show)
(06-01-2013, 01:05 AM)pale boy Wrote: Magic really works however the writers say it works (or however the audience fills in the blanks, lol).
I disagree. Magic works as long as the audience doesn't lose respect for the writers (i.e. the writers don't deus ex machina everything or it becomes blatantly obvious that the writers just make stuff up as they go. At this point in Grimm, they are beginning to go down this road.). The problem is, no matter what many fans would like to think, television writers are not that good. Part of this comes from the fact that there is no single voice that determines how things work in the TV show's universe. Writers come and go, there are lots of business considerations in how things develop, etc.
The rule for using magic in fiction is that less is more (well, unless you're a big D&D fan).
(06-01-2013, 01:05 AM)pale boy Wrote: Genetics are a bit trickier. Considering someone like Renard, it seems that Wesen blood at least "shows" in the offspring of direct descendants of humans and Wesen (assuming that Renard's Royal father is human). So Wesen DNA would be dominant at least in one case. IIRC, there's also the Ziegvolk -- they were hinted to use human women to breed, which suggests (although it does not outright state) that there is some sort of Wesen dominance in the offspring.
The problem with the above is that we have so little data. For instance, we don't even know if a Hexenbiest has different genetic traits from a Zauberbiest. We also know about nothing regarding Royal genetics, let alone whether Royals even would have special genetics. In the Bluebeard case, I don't see any evidence of "Wesen dominance" in the offspring. What I do see is that bluebeard tricks may not work on female bluebeards, therefore, bluebeards get laid by which people they can (i.e., normal humans).
06-04-2013, 12:43 AM (This post was last modified: 06-04-2013, 12:46 AM by pale boy.)
(06-01-2013, 11:53 AM)HellJacket Wrote:
(06-01-2013, 01:05 AM)pale boy Wrote: Magic really works however the writers say it works (or however the audience fills in the blanks, lol).
I disagree. Magic works as long as the audience doesn't lose respect for the writers (i.e. the writers don't deus ex machina everything or it becomes blatantly obvious that the writers just make stuff up as they go. At this point in Grimm, they are beginning to go down this road.). The problem is, no matter what many fans would like to think, television writers are not that good. Part of this comes from the fact that there is no single voice that determines how things work in the TV show's universe. Writers come and go, there are lots of business considerations in how things develop, etc.
The rule for using magic in fiction is that less is more (well, unless you're a big D&D fan).
(06-01-2013, 01:05 AM)pale boy Wrote: Genetics are a bit trickier. Considering someone like Renard, it seems that Wesen blood at least "shows" in the offspring of direct descendants of humans and Wesen (assuming that Renard's Royal father is human). So Wesen DNA would be dominant at least in one case. IIRC, there's also the Ziegvolk -- they were hinted to use human women to breed, which suggests (although it does not outright state) that there is some sort of Wesen dominance in the offspring.
The problem with the above is that we have so little data. For instance, we don't even know if a Hexenbiest has different genetic traits from a Zauberbiest. We also know about nothing regarding Royal genetics, let alone whether Royals even would have special genetics. In the Bluebeard case, I don't see any evidence of "Wesen dominance" in the offspring. What I do see is that bluebeard tricks may not work on female bluebeards, therefore, bluebeards get laid by which people they can (i.e., normal humans).
To the first: yeah, suspension of disbelief is essential in any fiction. I was pointing out that the "rules" on magic are fuzzy until they're laid out by the writers. Basically that it's difficult to know if Wesen breeding is ruled by magic, genetics, a mix of the two, or whatever because there's not enough groundwork from which to build a solid theory. And that magic is extraordinarily easy to handwave (aka the "a wizard did it" trope). I'm not saying that writers are infallible, but merely that they are the source from which canon flows -- no indicator of quality there. Don't know how you read it as me condoning badly written TV shows.
To the second: I mentioned that Renard's background merely suggested Wesen dominance in offspring rather than stated it outright. A sample of one is really not anything to draw conclusions from -- just fan theories. From what I remember regarding Ziegevolk, there are two kinds: breeders and herders. The term "breeder" implies that they, well, breed. And since their "partners" of choice have only been human so far (and the apparent lack of female Ziegevolk) ... that also implies that they use humans to breed. And if one assumes that the breeding produces more Ziegevolk, then there has to be some kind of Wesen dominance in the offspring. That, however, requires a lot of assumptions to work. Which is why it's a fan theory and not canon.
Since this is all speculation anyway, I made sure in my earlier post to use language that made it seem as such. Nothing is definitive and my previous post wasn't meant to imply that anything I was spitballing was actually canon. (Highly presumptive of me if that were so.)
Without further input from the writers, a lot of stuff is just fan theories. But that's really part of the fun about Grimm or any other fandom. The places between canon.
"I can feed the caterpillar, I can whisper through the chrysalis, but what hatches follows its own nature and is beyond me."
-- Hannibal (TV show)
(06-05-2013, 07:47 AM)FräuleinWunderlich Wrote: I've read that the child of a wolf and a fox is a jackal, in old storys.
that's an interesting bit of knowledge... as well as an interesting possibility for what the child might be like.... hmmm A jackal wesen... how... grimmy.
I just thought i remembered something and looked it up in wikipedia. a hybrid is a cross between two species or two subspecies in the same genus. Thus we get Ligers, Mules, and Zonkeys. or laberdoodles.
So are wesson all one genus? I bet Hexenbiest is in a different genus but mammalian weson could all be the same genus.
(06-05-2013, 11:05 AM)Lou Wrote: I just thought i remembered something and looked it up in wikipedia. a hybrid is a cross between two species or two subspecies in the same genus. Thus we get Ligers, Mules, and Zonkeys. or laberdoodles.
So are wesson all one genus? I bet Hexenbiest is in a different genus but mammalian weson could all be the same genus.
They all are essentially "human", so you may argue that they're all the same species even. Different wessen appear to be subspecies.
With the above logic, using genetics, there should be no reason why two different wessen cannot breed. Hell, in regard to your Hexenbiest comment above, the one instance of a hybrid we do have is between a hexenbiest and a royal. If hexenbiest were a different genus from humanity, that should not be able to happen.
Now, when magic/the supernatural enters the picture, nothing above remains certain.