06-25-2016, 07:48 AM
If Diana did not intervene?
06-25-2016, 07:48 AM
If Diana did not intervene?
06-25-2016, 07:30 PM
Imo, Renard would have tried to help Nick, short of attacking Bonaparte. He would have been about as effective as he was with Meisner; perhaps ending the suffering but not actually saving him. Or maybe he would have stabbed Bonaparte in the back without Diana's intercession, hard to know. Good to know Nick had the remedy for being once, twice, three times a dead guy. 'Course, then Renard would know about the stick.
But that murderous look he gave Nick at the very end, while holding that bloody sword was scary. Nick looked as if he wasn't certain of what Sean was going to do next, too.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
06-25-2016, 07:53 PM
Remember Sean carries a gun. With Meisner Sean did not stop Conrad. With Adalind Sean did not Conrad. With Nick it was without a doubt Diana that caused Sean to stab Conrad. At least Adalind risked herself to warn Nick. If Sean was willing to let Adalind die. Why would you think he would not let Nick die. Now that does not mean he would kill Nick.
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06-26-2016, 03:46 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-26-2016, 08:50 AM by Kathryn Wooten.)
(06-25-2016, 07:53 PM)syscrash Wrote: Remember Sean carries a gun. With Meisner Sean did not stop Conrad. With Adalind Sean did not Conrad. With Nick it was without a doubt Diana that caused Sean to stab Conrad. At least Adalind risked herself to warn Nick. If Sean was willing to let Adalind die. Why would you think he would not let Nick die. Now that does not mean he would kill Nick. you could say the same about Adalind. She's a hexenbiest, but she did not go over to Nick's to throw her weight around...or threw Conrad across the room ,when he was choking her, What was Adalind's excuse ??.....Sean was afraid of Conrad....He was afraid man not a stupid man..He is a survivor. He will not be stupid to attack a foe who is more stronger in strength and power...Conrad could easily turned his attention to Renard if he turned the gun on Conrad...Sean begged Conrad tentatively to stop ..I said tentitively because every time he asked/pleaded he became more afraid that Conrad would heart him...you could see it in his eyes(thinking: if I asked again what would he do to me ), he just didn't stand there and did nothing.......It is not like Sean never save Nick's life...Renard did go up against a reaper to keep Nick safe....I think he would had knocked him out by hitting him over Conrad head. he would not had killed him
06-26-2016, 04:19 AM
(06-25-2016, 07:53 PM)syscrash Wrote: Remember Sean carries a gun. With Meisner Sean did not stop Conrad. With Adalind Sean did not Conrad. With Nick it was without a doubt Diana that caused Sean to stab Conrad. At least Adalind risked herself to warn Nick. If Sean was willing to let Adalind die. Why would you think he would not let Nick die. Now that does not mean he would kill Nick. Bonaparte had the upper hand with Sean. He threatened the safety of his children, he threatened Renard ('You're compassionate. That's not a good thing for our cause'), he threatened Adalind, he did what he always did - used the probability of killing them and their loved ones to make his victims do his bidding. Sean was right to be afraid of the other man's superior power and ruthlessness, imo. His ambition was another factor, admittedly, in his willingness to go along. But I think he would have tried to convince Bonaparte stop choking Nick.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
06-26-2016, 04:52 AM
(06-26-2016, 04:19 AM)speakeasy Wrote:IMO Sean would have let Bonaparte kill Nick now to the why of the statement. Sean knows Kelly is Nick's son so him claiming Kelly isn't going to work with Nick around. Sean knows that Adalind has feeling for Nick which he might figure would keep her from playing the wife will any zeal. We can't discount Diana and Kelly forming a bond but for now that is down the list why he would not stop Bonaparte.(06-25-2016, 07:53 PM)syscrash Wrote: Remember Sean carries a gun. With Meisner Sean did not stop Conrad. With Adalind Sean did not Conrad. With Nick it was without a doubt Diana that caused Sean to stab Conrad. At least Adalind risked herself to warn Nick. If Sean was willing to let Adalind die. Why would you think he would not let Nick die. Now that does not mean he would kill Nick. With Bonaparte out of the picture is that good for Renard or bad? With Nick out of the picture he has ended a problem Grimm in Portland, but this may go against my point but needs to be made, he knows Trubel is a capable Grimm would be looking for payback and Bonaparte and him would be at the top of her list. Now Bonaparte thinks Eve is dead even Sean thinks that because Adalind said I think Eve is dying so the Trubel part might now worry him to much, but if Nick lived it would be a ongoing problem. So yes Renard would have let Nick die, ending a problem and we seen Renard has no problems taking care of possible problems.
06-26-2016, 05:59 AM
I didn’t see any indication that Renard would have intervened on Nick’s behave or risked his own life by trying to take out Bonaparte while he was distracted. Renard under Bonaparte’s rule is the first time I recall him being genuinely afraid, trapped, or controlled by anyone.
It’s possible any murderous expression was satisfaction, even elation, that the only man able control him was dead. Renard is intelligent & cunning, he can assess a situation and devise an immediate plan even under dire circumstances. It’s very likely Renard quickly surmised that Nick would be beneficial in dealing with the Wesen uprising fallout - at least temporarily.
"If my devils are to leave me, I am afraid my angels will take flight as well." Rainer Maria Rilke
06-26-2016, 06:28 AM
(06-26-2016, 05:59 AM)Robyn Wrote: I didn’t see any indication that Renard would have intervened on Nick’s behave or risked his own life by trying to take out Bonaparte while he was distracted. Renard under Bonaparte’s rule is the first time I recall him being genuinely afraid, trapped, or controlled by anyone. Just so, Robyn. I agree with your assessment of Renard, and would only add that since the final season seems to be about the two men, the question is will they throw in together or square off against one another. I'd rather see the former happen, and both of them do the best thing for the group and end the show on a hopeful note (since I love Sean best, but think Nick's the better man). But if the writer's get especially cynical, we could see the opposite happen, and Sean go out in a blaze of the fire of retribution he lit himself, which would be much to my disappointment. Still pulling for the submerged (bottom of the ocean submerged, haha) good side of Renard to win out in the end.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
06-26-2016, 08:41 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-26-2016, 08:43 AM by Kathryn Wooten.)
(06-26-2016, 04:19 AM)speakeasy Wrote:(06-25-2016, 07:53 PM)syscrash Wrote: Remember Sean carries a gun. With Meisner Sean did not stop Conrad. With Adalind Sean did not Conrad. With Nick it was without a doubt Diana that caused Sean to stab Conrad. At least Adalind risked herself to warn Nick. If Sean was willing to let Adalind die. Why would you think he would not let Nick die. Now that does not mean he would kill Nick. His pleas to conrad to stop killing Miesner didn't work....maybe it may have worked, if He told Bonaparte he can get the book..it may have temporally saved Nick...but once Bonaparte was angry..I do not think he could have been stopped by Sean's pleas...since it had no effect when Sean pleaded Bonaparte to stop killing Miesner |
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