Why take the stick??????

[GrimmenBeast]

We have seen that Diana's evil powers were controlled by Zestorer, She couldn't use those evil powers on biggest evil in the show. Show really has gone far on making Hexenbiests too overpowered, But we all have seen that only Grimm's are the ones who can really stop any evil against them, Even if it would be Diana.
I'm almost sure that Diana was not the first Hexenbiest which super enhanced powers, There could've been even more powerful Hexenbiests than Diana born from ritual, but seems like they were all mortal and they were killed.
Grimm on the other hand, They are spiritually immortal by their blood was we've seen, They had upper hand on every evil for centuries and possibly they have already locked Zestorer once which explains why do they have stick.
So Grimm's with their blood are more powerful than any being we have seen, Because they were the only ones who defeated the Zestorer (Thanks to the writers for remembering that show's name is Grimm. I am almost sure that full powered staff is more powerful than every Grimm, Hexenbiest and Wesen combined, Zestorer was immune to all powers and the only thing that could kill him was that Staff. Diana wouldn't be able to do any damage at all.

Both Aunt Marie and Kelly died at the hands of wesen. Juilette as a hexenbiest overpowered Nick easily. We have also heard from the Grimm books that Wesen have killed Grimms before. Grimms are far from the most powerful. They need weapons to accomplish 90% of the things they do.

Also the Zestorer wasn't immune to any hexenbiest powers. Adalind unwoged was able to easily grab the axe from the Zestorer hands. We never seen a hexenbiest use magic directly on him so no way to actually know.

Both Aunt Marie and Kelly were too old and out of their form to fight Wesen, And Nick didn't want to hurt Juliette at all. Wesen killing Grimm's was accidental and very rare moment, But Grimm's have killed thousands of Hexenbiests and Wesen in the history which explains why all of them were afraid. Of course they need to use weapons, who is generally more powerful? Human with a gun or Animal with claws and sharp teeth? Yet we have seen no Wesen, Human or Hexenbiest that can use weapons better than Grimm's. Also, That's still not my point, Grimm's are spiritually immortal, They are invisible and invincible as spirits and have defeated biggest evil with strongest item, That evil was able to control Diana (strongest Hexenbiest seen in the show) effortlessly, But not the Grimm.

Zestorer actually was directly immune to Hexenbiest powers, We have seen Juliette (stronger Hexenbiest than Adalind) trying to use her telekinesis and aerokinesis at full power against Zestorer directly but it had no effect at all on Zestorer.
So if you are proving that Hexenbiest was stronger than Zestorer, Then why didn't it use it's little magic to kill it? I am sure that Zestorer can kill any Hexenbiest.

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We have seen that Diana's evil powers were controlled by Zestorer, She couldn't use those evil powers on biggest evil in the show. Show really has gone far on making Hexenbiests too overpowered, But we all have seen that only Grimm's are the ones who can really stop any evil against them, Even if it would be Diana.
I'm almost sure that Diana was not the first Hexenbiest which super enhanced powers, There could've been even more powerful Hexenbiests than Diana born from ritual, but seems like they were all mortal and they were killed.
Grimm on the other hand, They are spiritually immortal by their blood was we've seen, They had upper hand on every evil for centuries and possibly they have already locked Zestorer once which explains why do they have stick.
So Grimm's with their blood are more powerful than any being we have seen, Because they were the only ones who defeated the Zestorer (Thanks to the writers for remembering that show's name is Grimm. I am almost sure that full powered staff is more powerful than every Grimm, Hexenbiest and Wesen combined, Zestorer was immune to all powers and the only thing that could kill him was that Staff. Diana wouldn't be able to do any damage at all.

When Adalind died the staff was on the ground behind Nick would have Nick "won" then if he had picked up the staff.

Well i guess we need to blame the plot, However i liked the ending fight anyway, But there should've been 7 crusaders too.

Yea, No. Eve never used her magic directly on the Zestorer. All she did was use Aerokinesis to make a dust shield and Sent the bats flying back at the Zestorer. Eve also bit the Zestorer and made it bleed.

Also give any wesson a weapon and they would do the same as a grimm. That is like a professional boxer vs an old man with a Gun. The old man can kill the professional boxer but he isn't stronger than the professional boxer.

Also Grimms aren't immortal and the whole summoning of the Ancestors was a 1 time thing that Nick hasn't been shown to be able to do in every battle. Truble as a Grimm can't do it. Kelly couldn't do it when facing off against Kenneth and Neither did Aunt Marie when facing off against the wesen in the Hospital. Thus there has to be special circumstances for something like that to happen.


Also the Zestorer killed Truble with ease, who is a Grimm. Only reason the Zestorer couldn't kill Nick was the Stick he was in possession of. Being a Grimm had nothing to do with it. Without the Stick Nick would have fell as easy as the rest of them.

Eve's aerokinesis couldn't affect Zestorer at all, And the only reason she was able to bit it was because Zestorer was totally from other dimnension and it wouldn't be able to do anything special. If Eve would bite any other Hexenbiest they would take years to heal wounds, Even if it was Diana.

Actually, Wesen were given weapons, But Nick was able to fight against 20 Wesen together with Axe and Gun, True that he was killed but normal Hexenbiest wouldn't even survive from 10 wesen with guns.

The only reason Nick couldn't use those invisible powers was because he didn't know his true powers, And this was because of the plot because Nick would overpower every Wesen and Hexenbiest if he used those powers. Truble was a novice Grimm and she didn't know how to use those powers obviously, Kelly was unfairly "tricked" and she wasn't ready to use her true powers, and Aunt Marie was old and she still was able to overpower skilled reaper Wesen.

Also Zestorer with his evil powers couldn't kill Truble, We have seen this when it tries to attack it but even though it is super fast and it could kill Hexenbiests in second it was not able to kill Truble with it's powers, So it used ultimate powers of staff that was obviously stronger than anything shown in the show combined.

[syscrash]

To me assumptions should be based on what we know from the show and not what we want. They should be based on how the writers created the Grimm world. Not based on how the viewers sees the world.

Of all the things we have seen, the stick like the staff have a mind of their own. Just like Diana can not be influenced, neither can the stick or staff. Unlike the other characters who nurture plays a big part of who they are. The stick, staff, and Diana are never effected by events or others.

[MarylikesGrimm]

Of all the things we have seen, the stick like the staff have a mind of their own. Just like Diana can not be influenced, neither can the stick or staff. Unlike the other characters who nurture plays a big part of who they are. The stick, staff, and Diana are never effected by events or others.

Diana was influenced by her mother and that is why she learned to like Nick and why she did not kill Grossante.

http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/Diana_Schade-Renard

Adalind is the one person who can consistently influence Diana's decision-making and get her to calm down when she is upset or growing impatient, and Diana is very eager and more than willing to listen to what she tells her to do. That said, Diana also feels a bond to her father, Renard, who has a bit of influence over Diana as well.

[Nicholas White]

We have seen that Diana's evil powers were controlled by Zestorer, She couldn't use those evil powers on biggest evil in the show. Show really has gone far on making Hexenbiests too overpowered, But we all have seen that only Grimm's are the ones who can really stop any evil against them, Even if it would be Diana.
I'm almost sure that Diana was not the first Hexenbiest which super enhanced powers, There could've been even more powerful Hexenbiests than Diana born from ritual, but seems like they were all mortal and they were killed.
Grimm on the other hand, They are spiritually immortal by their blood was we've seen, They had upper hand on every evil for centuries and possibly they have already locked Zestorer once which explains why do they have stick.
So Grimm's with their blood are more powerful than any being we have seen, Because they were the only ones who defeated the Zestorer (Thanks to the writers for remembering that show's name is Grimm. I am almost sure that full powered staff is more powerful than every Grimm, Hexenbiest and Wesen combined, Zestorer was immune to all powers and the only thing that could kill him was that Staff. Diana wouldn't be able to do any damage at all.

Both Aunt Marie and Kelly died at the hands of wesen. Juilette as a hexenbiest overpowered Nick easily. We have also heard from the Grimm books that Wesen have killed Grimms before. Grimms are far from the most powerful. They need weapons to accomplish 90% of the things they do.

Also the Zestorer wasn't immune to any hexenbiest powers. Adalind unwoged was able to easily grab the axe from the Zestorer hands. We never seen a hexenbiest use magic directly on him so no way to actually know.

Both Aunt Marie and Kelly were too old and out of their form to fight Wesen, And Nick didn't want to hurt Juliette at all. Wesen killing Grimm's was accidental and very rare moment, But Grimm's have killed thousands of Hexenbiests and Wesen in the history which explains why all of them were afraid. Of course they need to use weapons, who is generally more powerful? Human with a gun or Animal with claws and sharp teeth? Yet we have seen no Wesen, Human or Hexenbiest that can use weapons better than Grimm's. Also, That's still not my point, Grimm's are spiritually immortal, They are invisible and invincible as spirits and have defeated biggest evil with strongest item, That evil was able to control Diana (strongest Hexenbiest seen in the show) effortlessly, But not the Grimm.

Zestorer actually was directly immune to Hexenbiest powers, We have seen Juliette (stronger Hexenbiest than Adalind) trying to use her telekinesis and aerokinesis at full power against Zestorer directly but it had no effect at all on Zestorer.
So if you are proving that Hexenbiest was stronger than Zestorer, Then why didn't it use it's little magic to kill it? I am sure that Zestorer can kill any Hexenbiest.

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We have seen that Diana's evil powers were controlled by Zestorer, She couldn't use those evil powers on biggest evil in the show. Show really has gone far on making Hexenbiests too overpowered, But we all have seen that only Grimm's are the ones who can really stop any evil against them, Even if it would be Diana.
I'm almost sure that Diana was not the first Hexenbiest which super enhanced powers, There could've been even more powerful Hexenbiests than Diana born from ritual, but seems like they were all mortal and they were killed.
Grimm on the other hand, They are spiritually immortal by their blood was we've seen, They had upper hand on every evil for centuries and possibly they have already locked Zestorer once which explains why do they have stick.
So Grimm's with their blood are more powerful than any being we have seen, Because they were the only ones who defeated the Zestorer (Thanks to the writers for remembering that show's name is Grimm. I am almost sure that full powered staff is more powerful than every Grimm, Hexenbiest and Wesen combined, Zestorer was immune to all powers and the only thing that could kill him was that Staff. Diana wouldn't be able to do any damage at all.

When Adalind died the staff was on the ground behind Nick would have Nick "won" then if he had picked up the staff.

Well i guess we need to blame the plot, However i liked the ending fight anyway, But there should've been 7 crusaders too.

Yea, No. Eve never used her magic directly on the Zestorer. All she did was use Aerokinesis to make a dust shield and Sent the bats flying back at the Zestorer. Eve also bit the Zestorer and made it bleed.

Also give any wesson a weapon and they would do the same as a grimm. That is like a professional boxer vs an old man with a Gun. The old man can kill the professional boxer but he isn't stronger than the professional boxer.

Also Grimms aren't immortal and the whole summoning of the Ancestors was a 1 time thing that Nick hasn't been shown to be able to do in every battle. Truble as a Grimm can't do it. Kelly couldn't do it when facing off against Kenneth and Neither did Aunt Marie when facing off against the wesen in the Hospital. Thus there has to be special circumstances for something like that to happen.


Also the Zestorer killed Truble with ease, who is a Grimm. Only reason the Zestorer couldn't kill Nick was the Stick he was in possession of. Being a Grimm had nothing to do with it. Without the Stick Nick would have fell as easy as the rest of them.

Eve's aerokinesis couldn't affect Zestorer at all, And the only reason she was able to bit it was because Zestorer was totally from other dimnension and it wouldn't be able to do anything special. If Eve would bite any other Hexenbiest they would take years to heal wounds, Even if it was Diana.

Actually, Wesen were given weapons, But Nick was able to fight against 20 Wesen together with Axe and Gun, True that he was killed but normal Hexenbiest wouldn't even survive from 10 wesen with guns.

The only reason Nick couldn't use those invisible powers was because he didn't know his true powers, And this was because of the plot because Nick would overpower every Wesen and Hexenbiest if he used those powers. Truble was a novice Grimm and she didn't know how to use those powers obviously, Kelly was unfairly "tricked" and she wasn't ready to use her true powers, and Aunt Marie was old and she still was able to overpower skilled reaper Wesen.

Also Zestorer with his evil powers couldn't kill Truble, We have seen this when it tries to attack it but even though it is super fast and it could kill Hexenbiests in second it was not able to kill Truble with it's powers, So it used ultimate powers of staff that was obviously stronger than anything shown in the show combined.

Okay I am out. I hope to the heavens you aren't trying to use the loft fight in which Nick only survived thanks to the Stick.

Also the only characters in the show that the Zestorer killed that didn't died by the stick is Adalind. Every other character from the drunk humans to Monroe and Rosalee died by the sticks hands. Are you saying that those drunk kids on the street are stronger than Hexenbiest?


So many things about your post confuse me. Zestorer being from and other world doesn't limit his powers at all. His powers come from the god like Stick.

[GrimmenBeast]

Both Aunt Marie and Kelly died at the hands of wesen. Juilette as a hexenbiest overpowered Nick easily. We have also heard from the Grimm books that Wesen have killed Grimms before. Grimms are far from the most powerful. They need weapons to accomplish 90% of the things they do.

Also the Zestorer wasn't immune to any hexenbiest powers. Adalind unwoged was able to easily grab the axe from the Zestorer hands. We never seen a hexenbiest use magic directly on him so no way to actually know.

Both Aunt Marie and Kelly were too old and out of their form to fight Wesen, And Nick didn't want to hurt Juliette at all. Wesen killing Grimm's was accidental and very rare moment, But Grimm's have killed thousands of Hexenbiests and Wesen in the history which explains why all of them were afraid. Of course they need to use weapons, who is generally more powerful? Human with a gun or Animal with claws and sharp teeth? Yet we have seen no Wesen, Human or Hexenbiest that can use weapons better than Grimm's. Also, That's still not my point, Grimm's are spiritually immortal, They are invisible and invincible as spirits and have defeated biggest evil with strongest item, That evil was able to control Diana (strongest Hexenbiest seen in the show) effortlessly, But not the Grimm.

Zestorer actually was directly immune to Hexenbiest powers, We have seen Juliette (stronger Hexenbiest than Adalind) trying to use her telekinesis and aerokinesis at full power against Zestorer directly but it had no effect at all on Zestorer.
So if you are proving that Hexenbiest was stronger than Zestorer, Then why didn't it use it's little magic to kill it? I am sure that Zestorer can kill any Hexenbiest.

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When Adalind died the staff was on the ground behind Nick would have Nick "won" then if he had picked up the staff.

Well i guess we need to blame the plot, However i liked the ending fight anyway, But there should've been 7 crusaders too.

Yea, No. Eve never used her magic directly on the Zestorer. All she did was use Aerokinesis to make a dust shield and Sent the bats flying back at the Zestorer. Eve also bit the Zestorer and made it bleed.

Also give any wesson a weapon and they would do the same as a grimm. That is like a professional boxer vs an old man with a Gun. The old man can kill the professional boxer but he isn't stronger than the professional boxer.

Also Grimms aren't immortal and the whole summoning of the Ancestors was a 1 time thing that Nick hasn't been shown to be able to do in every battle. Truble as a Grimm can't do it. Kelly couldn't do it when facing off against Kenneth and Neither did Aunt Marie when facing off against the wesen in the Hospital. Thus there has to be special circumstances for something like that to happen.


Also the Zestorer killed Truble with ease, who is a Grimm. Only reason the Zestorer couldn't kill Nick was the Stick he was in possession of. Being a Grimm had nothing to do with it. Without the Stick Nick would have fell as easy as the rest of them.

Eve's aerokinesis couldn't affect Zestorer at all, And the only reason she was able to bit it was because Zestorer was totally from other dimnension and it wouldn't be able to do anything special. If Eve would bite any other Hexenbiest they would take years to heal wounds, Even if it was Diana.

Actually, Wesen were given weapons, But Nick was able to fight against 20 Wesen together with Axe and Gun, True that he was killed but normal Hexenbiest wouldn't even survive from 10 wesen with guns.

The only reason Nick couldn't use those invisible powers was because he didn't know his true powers, And this was because of the plot because Nick would overpower every Wesen and Hexenbiest if he used those powers. Truble was a novice Grimm and she didn't know how to use those powers obviously, Kelly was unfairly "tricked" and she wasn't ready to use her true powers, and Aunt Marie was old and she still was able to overpower skilled reaper Wesen.

Also Zestorer with his evil powers couldn't kill Truble, We have seen this when it tries to attack it but even though it is super fast and it could kill Hexenbiests in second it was not able to kill Truble with it's powers, So it used ultimate powers of staff that was obviously stronger than anything shown in the show combined.

Okay I am out. I hope to the heavens you aren't trying to use the loft fight in which Nick only survived thanks to the Stick.

Also the only characters in the show that the Zestorer killed that didn't died by the stick is Adalind. Every other character from the drunk humans to Monroe and Rosalee died by the sticks hands. Are you saying that those drunk kids on the street are stronger than Hexenbiest?


So many things about your post confuse me. Zestorer being from and other world doesn't limit his powers at all. His powers come from the god like Stick.

Well actually i am using that fight to explain how strong Grimm really is, As i mentioned it's true that he died but Hexenbiests wouldn't even survive attack 10 Wesen.

Adalind would've was vulnerable to anything that normal human was. Hexenbiests have extra-ordinary abilities that is way beyond capabilities of human but those powers still not get close to powers of blood of the Grimm. And i have never said that Hexenbiests are weaker than Wesen or Human, they are weaker than Grimm's and Primordial monsters.

Zestorer's powers were obviously limited because it used Chronokinesis and Dimensional travel to see Eve, and it was still able to physically touch her even though it was in other universe.

[Nicholas White]

Both Aunt Marie and Kelly were too old and out of their form to fight Wesen, And Nick didn't want to hurt Juliette at all. Wesen killing Grimm's was accidental and very rare moment, But Grimm's have killed thousands of Hexenbiests and Wesen in the history which explains why all of them were afraid. Of course they need to use weapons, who is generally more powerful? Human with a gun or Animal with claws and sharp teeth? Yet we have seen no Wesen, Human or Hexenbiest that can use weapons better than Grimm's. Also, That's still not my point, Grimm's are spiritually immortal, They are invisible and invincible as spirits and have defeated biggest evil with strongest item, That evil was able to control Diana (strongest Hexenbiest seen in the show) effortlessly, But not the Grimm.

Zestorer actually was directly immune to Hexenbiest powers, We have seen Juliette (stronger Hexenbiest than Adalind) trying to use her telekinesis and aerokinesis at full power against Zestorer directly but it had no effect at all on Zestorer.
So if you are proving that Hexenbiest was stronger than Zestorer, Then why didn't it use it's little magic to kill it? I am sure that Zestorer can kill any Hexenbiest.

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Well i guess we need to blame the plot, However i liked the ending fight anyway, But there should've been 7 crusaders too.

Yea, No. Eve never used her magic directly on the Zestorer. All she did was use Aerokinesis to make a dust shield and Sent the bats flying back at the Zestorer. Eve also bit the Zestorer and made it bleed.

Also give any wesson a weapon and they would do the same as a grimm. That is like a professional boxer vs an old man with a Gun. The old man can kill the professional boxer but he isn't stronger than the professional boxer.

Also Grimms aren't immortal and the whole summoning of the Ancestors was a 1 time thing that Nick hasn't been shown to be able to do in every battle. Truble as a Grimm can't do it. Kelly couldn't do it when facing off against Kenneth and Neither did Aunt Marie when facing off against the wesen in the Hospital. Thus there has to be special circumstances for something like that to happen.


Also the Zestorer killed Truble with ease, who is a Grimm. Only reason the Zestorer couldn't kill Nick was the Stick he was in possession of. Being a Grimm had nothing to do with it. Without the Stick Nick would have fell as easy as the rest of them.

Eve's aerokinesis couldn't affect Zestorer at all, And the only reason she was able to bit it was because Zestorer was totally from other dimnension and it wouldn't be able to do anything special. If Eve would bite any other Hexenbiest they would take years to heal wounds, Even if it was Diana.

Actually, Wesen were given weapons, But Nick was able to fight against 20 Wesen together with Axe and Gun, True that he was killed but normal Hexenbiest wouldn't even survive from 10 wesen with guns.

The only reason Nick couldn't use those invisible powers was because he didn't know his true powers, And this was because of the plot because Nick would overpower every Wesen and Hexenbiest if he used those powers. Truble was a novice Grimm and she didn't know how to use those powers obviously, Kelly was unfairly "tricked" and she wasn't ready to use her true powers, and Aunt Marie was old and she still was able to overpower skilled reaper Wesen.

Also Zestorer with his evil powers couldn't kill Truble, We have seen this when it tries to attack it but even though it is super fast and it could kill Hexenbiests in second it was not able to kill Truble with it's powers, So it used ultimate powers of staff that was obviously stronger than anything shown in the show combined.

Okay I am out. I hope to the heavens you aren't trying to use the loft fight in which Nick only survived thanks to the Stick.

Also the only characters in the show that the Zestorer killed that didn't died by the stick is Adalind. Every other character from the drunk humans to Monroe and Rosalee died by the sticks hands. Are you saying that those drunk kids on the street are stronger than Hexenbiest?


So many things about your post confuse me. Zestorer being from and other world doesn't limit his powers at all. His powers come from the god like Stick.

Well actually i am using that fight to explain how strong Grimm really is, As i mentioned it's true that he died but Hexenbiests wouldn't even survive attack 10 Wesen.

Adalind would've was vulnerable to anything that normal human was. Hexenbiests have extra-ordinary abilities that is way beyond capabilities of human but those powers still not get close to powers of blood of the Grimm. And i have never said that Hexenbiests are weaker than Wesen or Human, they are weaker than Grimm's and Primordial monsters.

Zestorer's powers were obviously limited because it used Chronokinesis and Dimensional travel to see Eve, and it was still able to physically touch her even though it was in other universe.

Juilette easily overpowered Nick in the spice shop almost forcing him to Shot Monroe. Henritta causally persuaded Nick to almost kiss her by using her powers. Adalind was able to get hits on Nick although she isn't trained in Combat like Nick. Bonoporte would have killed Nick if not for the Stick. Renard easily tossed Nick through the police window at the station.

Grimms are also just as vulnerable to death as any regular human. So I don't see the point.

The Zerstorer never used Chronokinesis. He fixed the mirror but he didn't reverse time.

[GrimmenBeast]

Yea, No. Eve never used her magic directly on the Zestorer. All she did was use Aerokinesis to make a dust shield and Sent the bats flying back at the Zestorer. Eve also bit the Zestorer and made it bleed.

Also give any wesson a weapon and they would do the same as a grimm. That is like a professional boxer vs an old man with a Gun. The old man can kill the professional boxer but he isn't stronger than the professional boxer.

Also Grimms aren't immortal and the whole summoning of the Ancestors was a 1 time thing that Nick hasn't been shown to be able to do in every battle. Truble as a Grimm can't do it. Kelly couldn't do it when facing off against Kenneth and Neither did Aunt Marie when facing off against the wesen in the Hospital. Thus there has to be special circumstances for something like that to happen.


Also the Zestorer killed Truble with ease, who is a Grimm. Only reason the Zestorer couldn't kill Nick was the Stick he was in possession of. Being a Grimm had nothing to do with it. Without the Stick Nick would have fell as easy as the rest of them.

Eve's aerokinesis couldn't affect Zestorer at all, And the only reason she was able to bit it was because Zestorer was totally from other dimnension and it wouldn't be able to do anything special. If Eve would bite any other Hexenbiest they would take years to heal wounds, Even if it was Diana.

Actually, Wesen were given weapons, But Nick was able to fight against 20 Wesen together with Axe and Gun, True that he was killed but normal Hexenbiest wouldn't even survive from 10 wesen with guns.

The only reason Nick couldn't use those invisible powers was because he didn't know his true powers, And this was because of the plot because Nick would overpower every Wesen and Hexenbiest if he used those powers. Truble was a novice Grimm and she didn't know how to use those powers obviously, Kelly was unfairly "tricked" and she wasn't ready to use her true powers, and Aunt Marie was old and she still was able to overpower skilled reaper Wesen.

Also Zestorer with his evil powers couldn't kill Truble, We have seen this when it tries to attack it but even though it is super fast and it could kill Hexenbiests in second it was not able to kill Truble with it's powers, So it used ultimate powers of staff that was obviously stronger than anything shown in the show combined.

Okay I am out. I hope to the heavens you aren't trying to use the loft fight in which Nick only survived thanks to the Stick.

Also the only characters in the show that the Zestorer killed that didn't died by the stick is Adalind. Every other character from the drunk humans to Monroe and Rosalee died by the sticks hands. Are you saying that those drunk kids on the street are stronger than Hexenbiest?


So many things about your post confuse me. Zestorer being from and other world doesn't limit his powers at all. His powers come from the god like Stick.

Well actually i am using that fight to explain how strong Grimm really is, As i mentioned it's true that he died but Hexenbiests wouldn't even survive attack 10 Wesen.

Adalind would've was vulnerable to anything that normal human was. Hexenbiests have extra-ordinary abilities that is way beyond capabilities of human but those powers still not get close to powers of blood of the Grimm. And i have never said that Hexenbiests are weaker than Wesen or Human, they are weaker than Grimm's and Primordial monsters.

Zestorer's powers were obviously limited because it used Chronokinesis and Dimensional travel to see Eve, and it was still able to physically touch her even though it was in other universe.

Juilette easily overpowered Nick in the spice shop almost forcing him to Shot Monroe. Henritta causally persuaded Nick to almost kiss her by using her powers. Adalind was able to get hits on Nick although she isn't trained in Combat like Nick. Bonoporte would have killed Nick if not for the Stick. Renard easily tossed Nick through the police window at the station.

Grimms are also just as vulnerable to death as any regular human. So I don't see the point.

The Zerstorer never used Chronokinesis. He fixed the mirror but he didn't reverse time.

Juliette used her Hexenbiest magic against Nick, If Nick really wanted to kill Juliette he would shoot her right away. If Nick knew how to use power of his blood, Juliette would've been easily overpowered without her head being cut off. Again, Henritta has used her magic against Nick, Normally full-skilled Grimm would cut her head off without even waiting for her to use her magic. Adalind was easily overpowered by Nick in toe to toe fight even though it was unfair fight, Normally Grimm would take an axe against Hexenbiest to finish it without meeting any casualities. Bonaparte was the only Zauberbiest capable of stopping Grimm with normal powers, But with Nick's invisible powers he would be dead in the seconds. Nick has also easily tossed both Renard and Monroe when having the zombie virus, Grimm needs to be ready and motivated to fight the evil.

Zestorer has used chronokinesis, In its dimnesion it was 12th century and appeared in 21th century with little effort, also able to manipulate objects from other dimnesion. Every Wesen, Hexenbiest, Grimm is vulnerable to what human is vulnerable to, Zestorer is only the only exception. But Grimm's are still spiritually immortal and their blood posseses incredible powers.

[Nicholas White]

Eve's aerokinesis couldn't affect Zestorer at all, And the only reason she was able to bit it was because Zestorer was totally from other dimnension and it wouldn't be able to do anything special. If Eve would bite any other Hexenbiest they would take years to heal wounds, Even if it was Diana.

Actually, Wesen were given weapons, But Nick was able to fight against 20 Wesen together with Axe and Gun, True that he was killed but normal Hexenbiest wouldn't even survive from 10 wesen with guns.

The only reason Nick couldn't use those invisible powers was because he didn't know his true powers, And this was because of the plot because Nick would overpower every Wesen and Hexenbiest if he used those powers. Truble was a novice Grimm and she didn't know how to use those powers obviously, Kelly was unfairly "tricked" and she wasn't ready to use her true powers, and Aunt Marie was old and she still was able to overpower skilled reaper Wesen.

Also Zestorer with his evil powers couldn't kill Truble, We have seen this when it tries to attack it but even though it is super fast and it could kill Hexenbiests in second it was not able to kill Truble with it's powers, So it used ultimate powers of staff that was obviously stronger than anything shown in the show combined.

Okay I am out. I hope to the heavens you aren't trying to use the loft fight in which Nick only survived thanks to the Stick.

Also the only characters in the show that the Zestorer killed that didn't died by the stick is Adalind. Every other character from the drunk humans to Monroe and Rosalee died by the sticks hands. Are you saying that those drunk kids on the street are stronger than Hexenbiest?


So many things about your post confuse me. Zestorer being from and other world doesn't limit his powers at all. His powers come from the god like Stick.

Well actually i am using that fight to explain how strong Grimm really is, As i mentioned it's true that he died but Hexenbiests wouldn't even survive attack 10 Wesen.

Adalind would've was vulnerable to anything that normal human was. Hexenbiests have extra-ordinary abilities that is way beyond capabilities of human but those powers still not get close to powers of blood of the Grimm. And i have never said that Hexenbiests are weaker than Wesen or Human, they are weaker than Grimm's and Primordial monsters.

Zestorer's powers were obviously limited because it used Chronokinesis and Dimensional travel to see Eve, and it was still able to physically touch her even though it was in other universe.

Juilette easily overpowered Nick in the spice shop almost forcing him to Shot Monroe. Henritta causally persuaded Nick to almost kiss her by using her powers. Adalind was able to get hits on Nick although she isn't trained in Combat like Nick. Bonoporte would have killed Nick if not for the Stick. Renard easily tossed Nick through the police window at the station.

Grimms are also just as vulnerable to death as any regular human. So I don't see the point.

The Zerstorer never used Chronokinesis. He fixed the mirror but he didn't reverse time.

Juliette used her Hexenbiest magic against Nick, If Nick really wanted to kill Juliette he would shoot her right away. If Nick knew how to use power of his blood, Juliette would've been easily overpowered without her head being cut off. Again, Henritta has used her magic against Nick, Normally full-skilled Grimm would cut her head off without even waiting for her to use her magic. Adalind was easily overpowered by Nick in toe to toe fight even though it was unfair fight, Normally Grimm would take an axe against Hexenbiest to finish it without meeting any casualities. Bonaparte was the only Zauberbiest capable of stopping Grimm with normal powers, But with Nick's invisible powers he would be dead in the seconds. Nick has also easily tossed both Renard and Monroe when having the zombie virus, Grimm needs to be ready and motivated to fight the evil.

Zestorer has used chronokinesis, In its dimnesion it was 12th century and appeared in 21th century with little effort, also able to manipulate objects from other dimnesion. Every Wesen, Hexenbiest, Grimm is vulnerable to what human is vulnerable to, Zestorer is only the only exception. But Grimm's are still spiritually immortal and their blood posseses incredible powers.

Weapons aren't part of a Grimm's power so you can't use those to say they are stronger than other wesen. We are talking about internal powers not external objects.

Once again you fail to understand Chronokinesis. He never created a Dimension and he never manipulated time. The Dimension he was a resident in had similarity to the 12th century(Maybe) but it was a whole other world with different rules. Actually outside of it speaking German there was alot of differences between the other place and 12th century. We don't know what year it was there.

The only people on the show who has manipulated time is Elizabeth by freezing it and Nick by using the Stick to reset it.

[GrimmenBeast]

Okay I am out. I hope to the heavens you aren't trying to use the loft fight in which Nick only survived thanks to the Stick.

Also the only characters in the show that the Zestorer killed that didn't died by the stick is Adalind. Every other character from the drunk humans to Monroe and Rosalee died by the sticks hands. Are you saying that those drunk kids on the street are stronger than Hexenbiest?


So many things about your post confuse me. Zestorer being from and other world doesn't limit his powers at all. His powers come from the god like Stick.

Well actually i am using that fight to explain how strong Grimm really is, As i mentioned it's true that he died but Hexenbiests wouldn't even survive attack 10 Wesen.

Adalind would've was vulnerable to anything that normal human was. Hexenbiests have extra-ordinary abilities that is way beyond capabilities of human but those powers still not get close to powers of blood of the Grimm. And i have never said that Hexenbiests are weaker than Wesen or Human, they are weaker than Grimm's and Primordial monsters.

Zestorer's powers were obviously limited because it used Chronokinesis and Dimensional travel to see Eve, and it was still able to physically touch her even though it was in other universe.

Juilette easily overpowered Nick in the spice shop almost forcing him to Shot Monroe. Henritta causally persuaded Nick to almost kiss her by using her powers. Adalind was able to get hits on Nick although she isn't trained in Combat like Nick. Bonoporte would have killed Nick if not for the Stick. Renard easily tossed Nick through the police window at the station.

Grimms are also just as vulnerable to death as any regular human. So I don't see the point.

The Zerstorer never used Chronokinesis. He fixed the mirror but he didn't reverse time.

Juliette used her Hexenbiest magic against Nick, If Nick really wanted to kill Juliette he would shoot her right away. If Nick knew how to use power of his blood, Juliette would've been easily overpowered without her head being cut off. Again, Henritta has used her magic against Nick, Normally full-skilled Grimm would cut her head off without even waiting for her to use her magic. Adalind was easily overpowered by Nick in toe to toe fight even though it was unfair fight, Normally Grimm would take an axe against Hexenbiest to finish it without meeting any casualities. Bonaparte was the only Zauberbiest capable of stopping Grimm with normal powers, But with Nick's invisible powers he would be dead in the seconds. Nick has also easily tossed both Renard and Monroe when having the zombie virus, Grimm needs to be ready and motivated to fight the evil.

Zestorer has used chronokinesis, In its dimnesion it was 12th century and appeared in 21th century with little effort, also able to manipulate objects from other dimnesion. Every Wesen, Hexenbiest, Grimm is vulnerable to what human is vulnerable to, Zestorer is only the only exception. But Grimm's are still spiritually immortal and their blood posseses incredible powers.

Weapons aren't part of a Grimm's power so you can't use those to say they are stronger than other wesen. We are talking about internal powers not external objects.

Once again you fail to understand Chronokinesis. He never created a Dimension and he never manipulated time. The Dimension he was a resident in had similarity to the 12th century(Maybe) but it was a whole other world with different rules. Actually outside of it speaking German there was alot of differences between the other place and 12th century. We don't know what year it was there.

The only people on the show who has manipulated time is Elizabeth by freezing it and Nick by using the Stick to reset it.

I am not saying weapons are part of Grimm's powers, but Grimm's can master them better than any other Wesen or Hexenbiest. Grimm's true abilities lies in their the blood which gave Nick powers to defeat the being that would control strongest Hexenbiest alive with little effort.

I didn't fail to understand Chronokinesis, There were two different dimnesions and Zestorer required to get in the future to communicate with Juliette. Doesn't matter if it was other dimnesion or not.

Since you failed to understand time manipulation, Elizabeth didn't control the time, It was just ultra speed that she could use, Zestorer also has displayed little part of its ultra speed when killing Adalind.

[Nicholas White]

Well actually i am using that fight to explain how strong Grimm really is, As i mentioned it's true that he died but Hexenbiests wouldn't even survive attack 10 Wesen.

Adalind would've was vulnerable to anything that normal human was. Hexenbiests have extra-ordinary abilities that is way beyond capabilities of human but those powers still not get close to powers of blood of the Grimm. And i have never said that Hexenbiests are weaker than Wesen or Human, they are weaker than Grimm's and Primordial monsters.

Zestorer's powers were obviously limited because it used Chronokinesis and Dimensional travel to see Eve, and it was still able to physically touch her even though it was in other universe.

Juilette easily overpowered Nick in the spice shop almost forcing him to Shot Monroe. Henritta causally persuaded Nick to almost kiss her by using her powers. Adalind was able to get hits on Nick although she isn't trained in Combat like Nick. Bonoporte would have killed Nick if not for the Stick. Renard easily tossed Nick through the police window at the station.

Grimms are also just as vulnerable to death as any regular human. So I don't see the point.

The Zerstorer never used Chronokinesis. He fixed the mirror but he didn't reverse time.

Juliette used her Hexenbiest magic against Nick, If Nick really wanted to kill Juliette he would shoot her right away. If Nick knew how to use power of his blood, Juliette would've been easily overpowered without her head being cut off. Again, Henritta has used her magic against Nick, Normally full-skilled Grimm would cut her head off without even waiting for her to use her magic. Adalind was easily overpowered by Nick in toe to toe fight even though it was unfair fight, Normally Grimm would take an axe against Hexenbiest to finish it without meeting any casualities. Bonaparte was the only Zauberbiest capable of stopping Grimm with normal powers, But with Nick's invisible powers he would be dead in the seconds. Nick has also easily tossed both Renard and Monroe when having the zombie virus, Grimm needs to be ready and motivated to fight the evil.

Zestorer has used chronokinesis, In its dimnesion it was 12th century and appeared in 21th century with little effort, also able to manipulate objects from other dimnesion. Every Wesen, Hexenbiest, Grimm is vulnerable to what human is vulnerable to, Zestorer is only the only exception. But Grimm's are still spiritually immortal and their blood posseses incredible powers.

Weapons aren't part of a Grimm's power so you can't use those to say they are stronger than other wesen. We are talking about internal powers not external objects.

Once again you fail to understand Chronokinesis. He never created a Dimension and he never manipulated time. The Dimension he was a resident in had similarity to the 12th century(Maybe) but it was a whole other world with different rules. Actually outside of it speaking German there was alot of differences between the other place and 12th century. We don't know what year it was there.

The only people on the show who has manipulated time is Elizabeth by freezing it and Nick by using the Stick to reset it.

I am not saying weapons are part of Grimm's powers, but Grimm's can master them better than any other Wesen or Hexenbiest. Grimm's true abilities lies in their the blood which gave Nick powers to defeat the being that would control strongest Hexenbiest alive with little effort.

I didn't fail to understand Chronokinesis, There were two different dimnesions and Zestorer required to get in the future to communicate with Juliette. Doesn't matter if it was other dimnesion or not.

Since you failed to understand time manipulation, Elizabeth didn't control the time, It was just ultra speed that she could use, Zestorer also has displayed little part of its ultra speed when killing Adalind.

I just can't any more. Elizabeth legit froze time. Everybody stopped moving. She isn't the flash, she isn't using super speed. Where did you even get that from? othing in that scene suggest she was moving at hyper speed.

Also the other side was a completely different world. It wasn't the past. Thus he only transcended space but not time. He didn't go from the past to the future but rather his world to ours.

You keep bringing up a Grimm's bloodline but that doesn't work as they can't control it. If they could Kelly wouldn't have died. Truble wouldn't have died and Nick wouldn't have gotten the crap kicked out of him by Juilette in season 4. The only time we have seen this power is when Nick fought against the Zestorer and Nick had the Stick empowering him. Truble never saw Kelly and Marie when she was fighting the Zerstorer with Nick. For all we know it could have simply been nothing more than something in Nick's head. If Kelly knew about this power she would have used it against Kenneth. If Aunt Marie knew about this power she would have used it against the Verrat. Kelly also would have told Nick about this power when she was alive.

Basically for all we know the power Nick exhibited at that moment could have been a by product of the Stick.