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Why take the stick??????
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04-06-2017, 11:20 PM
(04-06-2017, 08:59 AM)Aunt Marie Wrote: The stick hurt Eve and she wrote all the things in the tunnel. It burned Trubel because she was taking it away from Nick. Nick was the Grimm it responded to like a rightful owner.

So is the theory that the stick imprinted on Nick? Because he was the first Grimm to handle it in hundreds of years or something? Because Truble is also a Grimm.

(04-06-2017, 09:04 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: Maybe the stick realized that Diana wanted to help Nick so that is why she was not burned.

That makes some sense. The stick did heal those he liked and repelled at least one enemy in the past.
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04-07-2017, 01:55 AM
(04-06-2017, 11:20 PM)Secret Keeper Wrote:
(04-06-2017, 08:59 AM)Aunt Marie Wrote: The stick hurt Eve and she wrote all the things in the tunnel. It burned Trubel because she was taking it away from Nick. Nick was the Grimm it responded to like a rightful owner.

So is the theory that the stick imprinted on Nick? Because he was the first Grimm to handle it in hundreds of years or something? Because Truble is also a Grimm.

(04-06-2017, 09:04 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: Maybe the stick realized that Diana wanted to help Nick so that is why she was not burned.

That makes some sense. The stick did heal those he liked and repelled at least one enemy in the past.

You don't have to be a Grimm to wield the Stick. The Stick bonding with Nick had nothing to do with him being a Grimm. He was the first person to touch it in 800 Years thus becoming the owner of the Stick. If any other character was the first person to touch it they would become the owner of the stick.
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04-07-2017, 03:27 AM
(04-07-2017, 01:55 AM)Nicholas White Wrote:
(04-06-2017, 11:20 PM)Secret Keeper Wrote:
(04-06-2017, 08:59 AM)Aunt Marie Wrote: The stick hurt Eve and she wrote all the things in the tunnel. It burned Trubel because she was taking it away from Nick. Nick was the Grimm it responded to like a rightful owner.

So is the theory that the stick imprinted on Nick? Because he was the first Grimm to handle it in hundreds of years or something? Because Truble is also a Grimm.

(04-06-2017, 09:04 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: Maybe the stick realized that Diana wanted to help Nick so that is why she was not burned.

That makes some sense. The stick did heal those he liked and repelled at least one enemy in the past.

You don't have to be a Grimm to wield the Stick. The Stick bonding with Nick had nothing to do with him being a Grimm. He was the first person to touch it in 800 Years thus becoming the owner of the Stick. If any other character was the first person to touch it they would become the owner of the stick.

So correct meaning if a evil person like Conrad had found it ..the power would had been his,, or Renard if he found it
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04-07-2017, 07:10 AM (This post was last modified: 04-07-2017, 07:10 AM by MarylikesGrimm.)
(04-07-2017, 03:27 AM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:
(04-07-2017, 01:55 AM)Nicholas White Wrote: You don't have to be a Grimm to wield the Stick. The Stick bonding with Nick had nothing to do with him being a Grimm. He was the first person to touch it in 800 Years thus becoming the owner of the Stick. If any other character was the first person to touch it they would become the owner of the stick.

So correct meaning if a evil person like Conrad had found it ..the power would had been his,, or Renard if he found it

Under @Nicholas White theory, that is correct the first person to touch the stick after 800 years would have been its master.
Women characters do not have to be having sex with the lead to be important to the story. Big Grin
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04-07-2017, 01:01 PM
I think this is probably a reasonable assumption. The odds that the person or persons the seven knights took it from were also Grimms are pretty low, and from the multi-language cloth it was probably in other hands before that. If nobody but a Grimm could touch it or use it, there wouldn't have been as much reason for the knights to want to conceal it from the royals.

Nick became the stick's master either because he was the first to touch it after its previous master had died 800 years ago, or because he was the first to use its power. If Sean or Conrad had gotten it first, they might well have become its master.

Of course, they would also have become Zerstorer's target...
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04-07-2017, 01:32 PM
We have seen that Diana's evil powers were controlled by Zestorer, She couldn't use those evil powers on biggest evil in the show. Show really has gone far on making Hexenbiests too overpowered, But we all have seen that only Grimm's are the ones who can really stop any evil against them, Even if it would be Diana.
I'm almost sure that Diana was not the first Hexenbiest which super enhanced powers, There could've been even more powerful Hexenbiests than Diana born from ritual, but seems like they were all mortal and they were killed.
Grimm on the other hand, They are spiritually immortal by their blood was we've seen, They had upper hand on every evil for centuries and possibly they have already locked Zestorer once which explains why do they have stick.
So Grimm's with their blood are more powerful than any being we have seen, Because they were the only ones who defeated the Zestorer (Thanks to the writers for remembering that show's name is Grimm. I am almost sure that full powered staff is more powerful than every Grimm, Hexenbiest and Wesen combined, Zestorer was immune to all powers and the only thing that could kill him was that Staff. Diana wouldn't be able to do any damage at all.
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04-07-2017, 01:42 PM
(04-07-2017, 01:32 PM)GrimmenBeast Wrote: We have seen that Diana's evil powers were controlled by Zestorer, She couldn't use those evil powers on biggest evil in the show. Show really has gone far on making Hexenbiests too overpowered, But we all have seen that only Grimm's are the ones who can really stop any evil against them, Even if it would be Diana.
I'm almost sure that Diana was not the first Hexenbiest which super enhanced powers, There could've been even more powerful Hexenbiests than Diana born from ritual, but seems like they were all mortal and they were killed.
Grimm on the other hand, They are spiritually immortal by their blood was we've seen, They had upper hand on every evil for centuries and possibly they have already locked Zestorer once which explains why do they have stick.
So Grimm's with their blood are more powerful than any being we have seen, Because they were the only ones who defeated the Zestorer (Thanks to the writers for remembering that show's name is Grimm. I am almost sure that full powered staff is more powerful than every Grimm, Hexenbiest and Wesen combined, Zestorer was immune to all powers and the only thing that could kill him was that Staff. Diana wouldn't be able to do any damage at all.

When Adalind died the staff was on the ground behind Nick would have Nick "won" then if he had picked up the staff.
Women characters do not have to be having sex with the lead to be important to the story. Big Grin
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04-07-2017, 04:35 PM
(04-07-2017, 01:32 PM)GrimmenBeast Wrote: We have seen that Diana's evil powers were controlled by Zestorer, She couldn't use those evil powers on biggest evil in the show. Show really has gone far on making Hexenbiests too overpowered, But we all have seen that only Grimm's are the ones who can really stop any evil against them, Even if it would be Diana.
I'm almost sure that Diana was not the first Hexenbiest which super enhanced powers, There could've been even more powerful Hexenbiests than Diana born from ritual, but seems like they were all mortal and they were killed.
Grimm on the other hand, They are spiritually immortal by their blood was we've seen, They had upper hand on every evil for centuries and possibly they have already locked Zestorer once which explains why do they have stick.
So Grimm's with their blood are more powerful than any being we have seen, Because they were the only ones who defeated the Zestorer (Thanks to the writers for remembering that show's name is Grimm. I am almost sure that full powered staff is more powerful than every Grimm, Hexenbiest and Wesen combined, Zestorer was immune to all powers and the only thing that could kill him was that Staff. Diana wouldn't be able to do any damage at all.

Both Aunt Marie and Kelly died at the hands of wesen. Juilette as a hexenbiest overpowered Nick easily. We have also heard from the Grimm books that Wesen have killed Grimms before. Grimms are far from the most powerful. They need weapons to accomplish 90% of the things they do.

Also the Zestorer wasn't immune to any hexenbiest powers. Adalind unwoged was able to easily grab the axe from the Zestorer hands. We never seen a hexenbiest use magic directly on him so no way to actually know.
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04-07-2017, 11:15 PM (This post was last modified: 04-07-2017, 11:17 PM by GrimmenBeast.)
(04-07-2017, 04:35 PM)Nicholas White Wrote:
(04-07-2017, 01:32 PM)GrimmenBeast Wrote: We have seen that Diana's evil powers were controlled by Zestorer, She couldn't use those evil powers on biggest evil in the show. Show really has gone far on making Hexenbiests too overpowered, But we all have seen that only Grimm's are the ones who can really stop any evil against them, Even if it would be Diana.
I'm almost sure that Diana was not the first Hexenbiest which super enhanced powers, There could've been even more powerful Hexenbiests than Diana born from ritual, but seems like they were all mortal and they were killed.
Grimm on the other hand, They are spiritually immortal by their blood was we've seen, They had upper hand on every evil for centuries and possibly they have already locked Zestorer once which explains why do they have stick.
So Grimm's with their blood are more powerful than any being we have seen, Because they were the only ones who defeated the Zestorer (Thanks to the writers for remembering that show's name is Grimm. I am almost sure that full powered staff is more powerful than every Grimm, Hexenbiest and Wesen combined, Zestorer was immune to all powers and the only thing that could kill him was that Staff. Diana wouldn't be able to do any damage at all.

Both Aunt Marie and Kelly died at the hands of wesen. Juilette as a hexenbiest overpowered Nick easily. We have also heard from the Grimm books that Wesen have killed Grimms before. Grimms are far from the most powerful. They need weapons to accomplish 90% of the things they do.

Also the Zestorer wasn't immune to any hexenbiest powers. Adalind unwoged was able to easily grab the axe from the Zestorer hands. We never seen a hexenbiest use magic directly on him so no way to actually know.

Both Aunt Marie and Kelly were too old and out of their form to fight Wesen, And Nick didn't want to hurt Juliette at all. Wesen killing Grimm's was accidental and very rare moment, But Grimm's have killed thousands of Hexenbiests and Wesen in the history which explains why all of them were afraid. Of course they need to use weapons, who is generally more powerful? Human with a gun or Animal with claws and sharp teeth? Yet we have seen no Wesen, Human or Hexenbiest that can use weapons better than Grimm's. Also, That's still not my point, Grimm's are spiritually immortal, They are invisible and invincible as spirits and have defeated biggest evil with strongest item, That evil was able to control Diana (strongest Hexenbiest seen in the show) effortlessly, But not the Grimm.

Zestorer actually was directly immune to Hexenbiest powers, We have seen Juliette (stronger Hexenbiest than Adalind) trying to use her telekinesis and aerokinesis at full power against Zestorer directly but it had no effect at all on Zestorer.
So if you are proving that Hexenbiest was stronger than Zestorer, Then why didn't it use it's little magic to kill it? I am sure that Zestorer can kill any Hexenbiest.

(04-07-2017, 01:42 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:
(04-07-2017, 01:32 PM)GrimmenBeast Wrote: We have seen that Diana's evil powers were controlled by Zestorer, She couldn't use those evil powers on biggest evil in the show. Show really has gone far on making Hexenbiests too overpowered, But we all have seen that only Grimm's are the ones who can really stop any evil against them, Even if it would be Diana.
I'm almost sure that Diana was not the first Hexenbiest which super enhanced powers, There could've been even more powerful Hexenbiests than Diana born from ritual, but seems like they were all mortal and they were killed.
Grimm on the other hand, They are spiritually immortal by their blood was we've seen, They had upper hand on every evil for centuries and possibly they have already locked Zestorer once which explains why do they have stick.
So Grimm's with their blood are more powerful than any being we have seen, Because they were the only ones who defeated the Zestorer (Thanks to the writers for remembering that show's name is Grimm. I am almost sure that full powered staff is more powerful than every Grimm, Hexenbiest and Wesen combined, Zestorer was immune to all powers and the only thing that could kill him was that Staff. Diana wouldn't be able to do any damage at all.

When Adalind died the staff was on the ground behind Nick would have Nick "won" then if he had picked up the staff.

Well i guess we need to blame the plot, However i liked the ending fight anyway, But there should've been 7 crusaders too.
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04-08-2017, 12:17 AM (This post was last modified: 04-08-2017, 12:20 AM by Nicholas White.)
(04-07-2017, 11:15 PM)GrimmenBeast Wrote:
(04-07-2017, 04:35 PM)Nicholas White Wrote:
(04-07-2017, 01:32 PM)GrimmenBeast Wrote: We have seen that Diana's evil powers were controlled by Zestorer, She couldn't use those evil powers on biggest evil in the show. Show really has gone far on making Hexenbiests too overpowered, But we all have seen that only Grimm's are the ones who can really stop any evil against them, Even if it would be Diana.
I'm almost sure that Diana was not the first Hexenbiest which super enhanced powers, There could've been even more powerful Hexenbiests than Diana born from ritual, but seems like they were all mortal and they were killed.
Grimm on the other hand, They are spiritually immortal by their blood was we've seen, They had upper hand on every evil for centuries and possibly they have already locked Zestorer once which explains why do they have stick.
So Grimm's with their blood are more powerful than any being we have seen, Because they were the only ones who defeated the Zestorer (Thanks to the writers for remembering that show's name is Grimm. I am almost sure that full powered staff is more powerful than every Grimm, Hexenbiest and Wesen combined, Zestorer was immune to all powers and the only thing that could kill him was that Staff. Diana wouldn't be able to do any damage at all.

Both Aunt Marie and Kelly died at the hands of wesen. Juilette as a hexenbiest overpowered Nick easily. We have also heard from the Grimm books that Wesen have killed Grimms before. Grimms are far from the most powerful. They need weapons to accomplish 90% of the things they do.

Also the Zestorer wasn't immune to any hexenbiest powers. Adalind unwoged was able to easily grab the axe from the Zestorer hands. We never seen a hexenbiest use magic directly on him so no way to actually know.

Both Aunt Marie and Kelly were too old and out of their form to fight Wesen, And Nick didn't want to hurt Juliette at all. Wesen killing Grimm's was accidental and very rare moment, But Grimm's have killed thousands of Hexenbiests and Wesen in the history which explains why all of them were afraid. Of course they need to use weapons, who is generally more powerful? Human with a gun or Animal with claws and sharp teeth? Yet we have seen no Wesen, Human or Hexenbiest that can use weapons better than Grimm's. Also, That's still not my point, Grimm's are spiritually immortal, They are invisible and invincible as spirits and have defeated biggest evil with strongest item, That evil was able to control Diana (strongest Hexenbiest seen in the show) effortlessly, But not the Grimm.

Zestorer actually was directly immune to Hexenbiest powers, We have seen Juliette (stronger Hexenbiest than Adalind) trying to use her telekinesis and aerokinesis at full power against Zestorer directly but it had no effect at all on Zestorer.
So if you are proving that Hexenbiest was stronger than Zestorer, Then why didn't it use it's little magic to kill it? I am sure that Zestorer can kill any Hexenbiest.

(04-07-2017, 01:42 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:
(04-07-2017, 01:32 PM)GrimmenBeast Wrote: We have seen that Diana's evil powers were controlled by Zestorer, She couldn't use those evil powers on biggest evil in the show. Show really has gone far on making Hexenbiests too overpowered, But we all have seen that only Grimm's are the ones who can really stop any evil against them, Even if it would be Diana.
I'm almost sure that Diana was not the first Hexenbiest which super enhanced powers, There could've been even more powerful Hexenbiests than Diana born from ritual, but seems like they were all mortal and they were killed.
Grimm on the other hand, They are spiritually immortal by their blood was we've seen, They had upper hand on every evil for centuries and possibly they have already locked Zestorer once which explains why do they have stick.
So Grimm's with their blood are more powerful than any being we have seen, Because they were the only ones who defeated the Zestorer (Thanks to the writers for remembering that show's name is Grimm. I am almost sure that full powered staff is more powerful than every Grimm, Hexenbiest and Wesen combined, Zestorer was immune to all powers and the only thing that could kill him was that Staff. Diana wouldn't be able to do any damage at all.

When Adalind died the staff was on the ground behind Nick would have Nick "won" then if he had picked up the staff.

Well i guess we need to blame the plot, However i liked the ending fight anyway, But there should've been 7 crusaders too.

Yea, No. Eve never used her magic directly on the Zestorer. All she did was use Aerokinesis to make a dust shield and Sent the bats flying back at the Zestorer. Eve also bit the Zestorer and made it bleed.

Also give any wesson a weapon and they would do the same as a grimm. That is like a professional boxer vs an old man with a Gun. The old man can kill the professional boxer but he isn't stronger than the professional boxer.

Also Grimms aren't immortal and the whole summoning of the Ancestors was a 1 time thing that Nick hasn't been shown to be able to do in every battle. Truble as a Grimm can't do it. Kelly couldn't do it when facing off against Kenneth and Neither did Aunt Marie when facing off against the wesen in the Hospital. Thus there has to be special circumstances for something like that to happen.


Also the Zestorer killed Truble with ease, who is a Grimm. Only reason the Zestorer couldn't kill Nick was the Stick he was in possession of. Being a Grimm had nothing to do with it. Without the Stick Nick would have fell as easy as the rest of them.
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