12-29-2017, 05:36 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-29-2017, 07:52 AM by Henry of green.)
(12-28-2017, 06:27 PM)izzy Wrote:(12-28-2017, 04:02 AM)Henry of green Wrote: Says you
Wow, what a sophomoric and hormone laden post, this should be fun. It appears one has an overdeveloped perception of self and one’s own opinions.
And you are correct, “says” me. My opinion and observations are based on a lifetime of experience in human interactions. The only television shows that require you suspend the reality most of us live in, in terms of human interaction, are cartoons. Just because the show is Grimm and is about the wesen world does not mean humans behave differently in the interpersonal relationships.
Quote:…there is nothing in the past 2 seasons of the show indicating Adalind was minipulating anyone
Except a lifetime of experience, the knowledge a leopard does not change it spots, and the show itself. There is a reason why addicts who understand themselves always reference themselves as an addict, even when they have been off the substance of their weakness for years. What they learn to do is channel their compulsive nature, put restraints around themselves, AND change their associations. The latter is the key. There is a reason why parolees are not allowed to associate with their old click and a reason why addicts are encouraged to form new associations. Adalind is a manipulator by nature, consciously and unconsciously it is her survival mechanism and default behavior. It is beyond incredulous to believe that Adalind was able to change her nature without altering any of her associations, the nature of the challenges in front of her, or anything else via willpower alone.
You would have to be an idiot not to see that Adalind used her sexuality to manipulate Nick. And, drum roll, what do you call not telling Nick your Hexen is back? That is not manipulation? What planet do your people come from anyways? And don't bother, it is rhetorical question, I really don’t care.
Quote:but Adalind who has murded just 2 in self defence is not redeemable
As I pointed out, unless she changes locale, changes associates, divines new ways to cope with old problems all you have is a mask, a thin veneer. That veneer is awful thin, how long did it take her to get naked for Nick in order to manipulate him? As I said a leopard does not change its spots.
Quote:As for an affair Adalind had countless opportunities to cheat on Nick with Renard but instead rejected him multiple times.
:
All I can say is, learn to read. Really. I never stated or implied Adalind had an affair. As far as I can tell she never was in a committed relationship to have an affair from. Adalind always was a whore; no man would want to claim her as his own or care who else she spread her legs for. She may have rejected Renard because she wanted to pretend she was something other than every man’s whore, but more likely, it would have simply been incongruent with the game she was running on Nick.
Quote:and somehow Monroe, a guy who has murderd countless people is redeemable
and
Quote:Monroe even admitted to hunting the real thing meaning humans to the wesen boys camp in 4x19. He also couldn’t control himself in the pilot and couldn’t go into the cabin in case he went after the child.
As I wrote earlier (before I read this section of your post) true reformations involve several steps.
channel their compulsive nature – Monroe became a detail oriented master clock crafstman/repairer and thru himself into antiques, both arenas that take a great deal of compulsive study; a classic channeling technique.
put restraints around themselves – Monroe is a Wieder Blutbaden and “stays reformed through a strict regimen of diet, drugs, and exercise”
AND change their associations – Monroe kept his own council and did not associate with other wesen until Nick dragged him back into the active wesen world.
Monroe, like Rosalee, exhibited the steps that are taken that are known to lead a successful change in life. That is how you gain redemption, by making fundamental changes in who you are.
Quote:As for Adalind being a miniplutor, Adalind has never once during the show Minipulated anyone she cares deeply about she never minipulated Renard once is season 1 beacuse she cared/ loved him and only turned against and minipulated him in later seasons beacuse he threw her away like trash in 1x17 and she no longer cared for him as much. You can think she in minipulating Nick if you wish but unfortunately it doesn’t match what we were shown on the show. 20 years is a pretty long con if you ask me.
LOL, you have to be kidding. Oh my gosh, you are killing me here. Adalind got exactly what she wanted from Nick…the con worked. I would say Nick fell for it and that Nick always was an idiot except I am not sure which party got the short end of the stick in this relationship and who the idiot truly was. And you have no idea what those 20 years were like, and either do I, you are assuming they were happy ever after. Logic would dictate they were challenging at best. I am sure Adalind always assumed she could find a guy who could throw a decent f***, so that consideration would have been easy for very circumnavigate with her well established alley-cat morality. A whole lot of people soldier on it relationships, for a variety of reasons. I certainly would not assume it was a healthy relationship for either party.
Quote:The actress playing Rosalee seems to fully suggest Rosalee sees Adalind as redemmed and changed.
I agree and concede your point, only to add, this type of judgment is precisely why we do not allow ex-addicts to become air traffic controllers or account executives in the finance industry.
Quote:Renard is infact the only main character I think hasn’t redeemed himself fully by the shows end and his actions in my opinion on the show are even worse than Juliette’s or Adalinds.
Why should he redeem himself? Do you really think he looks at the scoobies as his peer network? Why would you seek redemption among assorted rabble? He is royalty and acts it. I am sure he does not and has not troubled himself with what the scoobies think of him.
At any rate, all staged belligerence aside it was interesting dissecting your uh, thought, process.
Cheers.
Izzy, It was established that Adalind hid her powers from Nick until 5x19 when she revelaved them because of fear not manipulation. The actors involved in the show even revealed during interviews that Adalinds feelings for Nick during this period were pure their words not mine. You are entitled to your opinion but I'm just saying how it was presented on the show. If Adalind was truly as minipulative as you think surely Bc and Mayor elect Renard were better options but she rejected both. If she was just manipulating Nick surely she could have just slept with Renard in the mansion, it’s not as if Nick would have ever found out. But she refused to betray Nick as she rejected Renards every attempt to get her into bed and she even Managed to break Dianias compulson that forced her to kiss Renard.
If Adalind was the same Minipulator you claim she is why did she sit crying alone in the fome in 5x12 devastated after her powers returned its not as if anyone was around to watch her she’s not putting on an act for anyone
TVLINE | But she’s not now. Is the transformation full-on? Will she go back to being an evil menace?
COFFEE | The fear for her — and what she expresses to Rosalee in this episode — is that “You don’t understand what happened, how that takes over.” Because Rosalee is trying to tell her, “You’re different now. Maybe it will be different.” And she’s saying no, this thing takes hold of you and it controls you. I think for the episodes that follow, you’ll see little bits and pieces of that Hexenbiest weaving back in.
TURNER | Adalind’s vulnerability at that point — she really, really doesn’t want this to be happening. She feels good in who she is now, she has these pure feelings for Nick, and they have their child together. This is just going to f—k everything up. [Laughs]
Claire Coffee interview parade
Nick and Adalind have quite the history. What would you like to see happen for them?
I try not to think, “Oh, what would I like to see?’ because it’s so different for me as an actress vs. for Adalind. I think what Adalind would like is to be back with Nick, be happy, and be able to establish a family with him. I think Adalind firmly believes that Nick and company are on the right side, and she wants to be, too. She doesn’t want to go back to her evil roots, and she doesn’t want to be working with Black Claw. So she’d like to be back with them, and so at this point, it’s just figuring out a way to get back there.
What’s really interesting is we didn’t like Adalind in Season 1, but now we’re rooting for her.
My character’s had such a journey. She had powers, lost powers, gained powers, lost powers. And now she has the powers, doesn’t want what the powers bring along with them, but is using her powers for good.
Izzy, you can believe she’s just as manipulative as she always has been if you wish but it doesn’t match up to what we were shown in the last 2 seasons.
I didn’t once consider Adalinds confession of love and sleeping with him being manipulative at all beacuse Nick was going to Germany ethier way what reason would she have to minipulate him. It is perfectly within Adalinds charecter to fall hard for guys, she did it with Renard in season 1 the only difference is she never told Renard she loved him. There also wasn’t a single hint that Adalind wasn’t being truthful with her I love you to Nick as she also said it multiple times after 5x11.