(01-08-2016, 02:07 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: I know irukandji doesn’t by it. I also know this theory is not perfect. I can see some holes in it (It is not my fault… you should blame the writers )… that is I just think this theory can be true… but I don’t have enough arguments to convince anyone about it.
Oh, I do blame the writers. Without Juliette and Adalind, this story could have been hashed out so well. Sigh. But back to my theory, because I'm still looking at Juliette being betrayed for her new hexenbiest heritage.
But first to the mansion, the king, Meisner, Diana and Juliette. I believe the helicopter was probably rented in the USA. Taking a helicopter from Austria would not seem like a good idea, in my opinion. Maybe the pilots on this forum can step in here with more information? So let's talk about Meisner. For one thing, is the guy even an American citizen? I have my doubts. Not only that but it makes me wonder how someone like him could worm his way into the super secret ultra organization that hardly no one else knows about. That's Grand Canyon hole number one in my opinion.
Could Meisner really have found a way to be assigned as a helicopter pilot? Again, I don't know how. If I recall correctly, the last we saw of him was in the old country delivering Adalind's baby. Please correct me if I'm wrong. That's the last I remember of him. He could conceivably come to America, but his chances of piloting a helicopter that shuttles VIP's is a remote one.
I like the idea of a fake helicopter company being created with all kinds of fake background. But I do see a hole in this theory as well. In order to do this, this Wall would have had to have known the king was going to rent this particular mansion for this particular time and that he was going to need a helicopter on this particular night. They would also have to know that the king was going to do business with this particular shuttle company. Who knows, the king could have secured contracts with several companies for that particular night in order to cover his tracks.
There's also something else. I do have an issue with the helicopter. While it looks cool, there really is absolutely no point to it. The royals didn't speed away in a helicopter when they had Diana. They took a car.
(01-08-2016, 02:07 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: And How did Meisner convinced the resistance to let him to be the one there?
Great question! The answer I see: We'll probably never find out, even though this would be a huge, huge, huge leap in finding out more about the resistance, how they learned of the king coming to America, etc. But this raises another question in my mind.
I'm assuming for the sake of argument that Meisner is not an American citizen. He's allied with a foreign organization that might be at odds with the American HW. Where do his loyalties lie? Was he killing the king and securing Diana for the resistance or was he killing the king and securing Diana for the Wall?
On a personal note, I'm not a fan of this guy. I thought he was cool delivering Adalind's baby in the forest and helping her escape. On the other hand, as a mercenary, he could have been well paid to do that little thing. He, in my opinion, is more of a slippery character than Renard ever was.
(01-08-2016, 02:07 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: Besides that none of those theory answers irukandji’s question: how Meisner knew about Juliette?
I think HW started to track Juliette when she was in jail. And I think Juliette talked to the king about going back and kill Nick and I think Diana listened the conversation. I think Meisner was expecting that Juliette (the woman who took Diana from Kelly and that was in jail) would be in the helicopter. After killing the king, I think he asked Diana about that woman and Diana should have said what happened. Meisner should have connected some dots.
I am going back to what I read in Grimm wiki about HW. They are an ultra super secret government organization that is so secret very few other government organizations even know they exist.
I could buy your theory if Chavez had shown some intense disbelief about Nick. In other words, she suspected he was a Grimm. But she didn't. She was very, very interested in Trubel. Unfortunately her intent to nab Trubel legally fizzled when Trubel stuck to her story. It's likely that once Trubel left Nick's house, Chavez followed and convinced her somehow to join the Wall.
Here's a plothole big enough to swallow the moon. Trubel's been in one mental institution or maybe it was more than one. I don't know. She's a troubled juvenile who does what she wants and has never tried to turn her life around. She was content to be a transient who murdered at the drop of a hat. Supposedly she's fallen under the radar of this super secret government organization who can find out anything about anyone anywhere and they're so impressed with her they take her in. Why?
Then there's Nick. As I said before the Wall can find out anything about anybody anywhere. Nick has made no secret about being a Grimm after he got his powers back. In fact, I think Nick's a little offended that these people haven't noticed him, but I digress. They still don't take notice. In fact, Chavez acts like he's insane when he barges into her office demanding to know where Trubel is. And this is an interesting contradiction in my opinion. She takes a person in who actually has been in a mental institution, but completely ignores one who acts crazy in her office. She doesn't even have him watched after he leaves. She instead calls Renard and tells him to lean on Nick's ass about his antics.
Now consider Juliette. She's not living with Nick any longer. She's with Renard. She was working as a veterinarian after starting her transformation and I think there is some dialoge somewhere to support that. There's no reason to believe she was not working right up to her incarceration. She wasn't arrested for any weird thing, she assaulted a guy in a bar.
Why would the Wall be interested in her?
(01-08-2016, 02:07 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: Besides that none of those theory answers irukandji’s question: how Meisner knew about Juliette?
I don't think he did. Going back to the king and this private helicopter. There really is no reason for Juliette to be on the helicopter. I do believe the king wanted her on his team, but that doesn't automatically bump her up to being a part of his personal entourage. Since it's the king's decision, Meisner wouldn't know one way or another if Juliette was to be on that helicopter. I think his assignment was rescuing Diana and securing her, which is exactly what he did.
Where exactly was the helicopter going? To Portland International for a flight out? To Puget Sound to rendevouz with a ship? To Seaside or another portside town to get aboard his own private yacht? To another hideout somewhere? This is all part of the moonhole plot line. If we knew where the king was going, it might have been easier to find out what Juliette's place was in all of this.
The way I see it, Juliette had to somehow be betrayed to the Wall, because they weren't taking notice of her any other way. But it isn't only that. She would have had to do something so convincing that they decided to immobilize her and bring her into the organization. Technically speaking, Juliette would have been a grave enemy of the Wall.
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