The house

[brandon]

Sean could know about his family of Nick. That is a possibility. Even though knew it was not a "GRIMM".

[FaceInTheCrowd]

Adalind saw with her own eyes that there was a Grimm in Portland in the first few minutes of the pilot. Odds are the first two people she would have shared that with were her mother and Renard.

By the middle of the pilot, Renard knew that Nick had shot and killed a man who tried to kill Nick and his aunt, that Nick's aunt was Marie Kessler, who even Monroe had heard of as a Grimm, and that the man who had tried to kill them had used a reaper scythe. He knew that Nick was the nephew of a Grimm and therefore could be the Grimm that Adalind had seen...

And by the end of the pilot, Adalind knew for sure that a Grimm in Marie Kessler's hospital room had stopped her from killing Marie and was the same one she had seen earlier.

So even if Renard hadn't already known that Nick was the son of the late Kelly Burkhardt nee Kessler, a Grimm who had been killed because she was guarding the Coins of Zakynthos, and therefore a potential Grimm himself, he certainly knew Nick was a Grimm by the end of the pilot.

[dicappatore]

Adalind saw with her own eyes that there was a Grimm in Portland in the first few minutes of the pilot. Odds are the first two people she would have shared that with were her mother and Renard.

By the middle of the pilot, Renard knew that Nick had shot and killed a man who tried to kill Nick and his aunt, that Nick's aunt was Marie Kessler, who even Monroe had heard of as a Grimm, and that the man who had tried to kill them had used a reaper scythe. He knew that Nick was the nephew of a Grimm and therefore could be the Grimm that Adalind had seen...

And by the end of the pilot, Adalind knew for sure that a Grimm in Marie Kessler's hospital room had stopped her from killing Marie and was the same one she had seen earlier.

So even if Renard hadn't already known that Nick was the son of the late Kelly Burkhardt nee Kessler, a Grimm who had been killed because she was guarding the Coins of Zakynthos, and therefore a potential Grimm himself, he certainly knew Nick was a Grimm by the end of the pilot.

It's true, that's why the debate was more on if Renard knew if Nick was a Grimm prior to the pilot. The point I was trying to make, If Nick didn't Know if he was a Grimm before the pilot by not being able to see a voge, how could Renard know. Even if he had known his mother maiden name was Kessler, was no guarantee. He was an offspring of a Grimm and a normal human. As Josh proved it, son of a Grimm and a non-Grimm, no guarantee.

[FaceInTheCrowd]

Nick probably wasn't a Grimm before the pilot, or for very long before that. We know from later episodes that Adalind was the first woge he ever saw, and that he had previously put at least one wesen criminal away without ever knowing he was a wesen. So it's possible that Renard had knowledge of who Nick's family was and that he might someday become a Grimm, but there's no way he could have known for sure exactly when that might happen. But even if Nick never did Grimm up, the mere chance that he might come into contact with someone who could lead to a key was probably enough reason to watch over him.

[brandon]

Nick was a man, that's why still did not know.
And maybe Sean would not know about it either "GRIMM".

[jsgrimm45]

As I see it Renard had no idea Nick was a Grimm, after he seen a reaper kill and Nick with aunt Marie now he did. We have to remember that in the first episode Grimm's were to come about when one died, later they change this to genes, which make more sense. So when he put two and two together with NIck and Marie on the idea that Grimm's became one after a death this put him onto NIck and the next in line.

So one in the another post talked about a background check on Nick for the PPD, Kessler is not that uncommon there is a street in Indianapolis called Kessler. So even if Renard seen the name Kessler in Nick's background might not mean anything at the time, as Marie Kessler a Grimm wouldn't have been in the file, but add a reaper to the text we have two and two.

[wfmyers1207]

As I see it Renard had no idea Nick was a Grimm, after he seen a reaper kill and Nick with aunt Marie now he did. We have to remember that in the first episode Grimm's were to come about when one died, later they change this to genes, which make more sense. So when he put two and two together with NIck and Marie on the idea that Grimm's became one after a death this put him onto NIck and the next in line.

So one in the another post talked about a background check on Nick for the PPD, Kessler is not that uncommon there is a street in Indianapolis called Kessler. So even if Renard seen the name Kessler in Nick's background might not mean anything at the time, as Marie Kessler a Grimm wouldn't have been in the file, but add a reaper to the text we have two and two.

So, are you saying that Renard wanted to kill Aunt Marie so that Nick would become a Grimm quicker? Then Renard has Nick the Grimm as a potential asset for his own purposes?

Under the original "one grimm has to die for someone else to become a grimm" rules, that actually gives Renard a real motive to send Adalind in to finish her off.

Renard's motive for all that is something I've wondered about.

[brandon]

What they - writers- imply is that Sean does not want Marie to talk to Nick.
It would be for what she could tell. Sean , maybe , did not know it was a "GRIMM" or think he would know nothing- "World Wesen"- , so he could tell his own truth.

[FaceInTheCrowd]

Renard having no idea whatsoever of Nick's potential usefulness to his goals as the wesen royal bastard isn't a plausible scenario. For one thing, Renard shows no surprise at all about it, and has a plan already in place in the pilot. Marie being well known to wesen as a Grimm might not mean that Kelly was equally as well known to the average wesen, but the royals have more information. And when Kimura, who was one of the wesen who carried out the hit on Nick's parents, comes to Portland, one of the first people on his contact list is Renard. There are just too many connections to be coincidental.

[jsgrimm45]

As I see it Renard had no idea Nick was a Grimm, after he seen a reaper kill and Nick with aunt Marie now he did. We have to remember that in the first episode Grimm's were to come about when one died, later they change this to genes, which make more sense. So when he put two and two together with NIck and Marie on the idea that Grimm's became one after a death this put him onto NIck and the next in line.

So one in the another post talked about a background check on Nick for the PPD, Kessler is not that uncommon there is a street in Indianapolis called Kessler. So even if Renard seen the name Kessler in Nick's background might not mean anything at the time, as Marie Kessler a Grimm wouldn't have been in the file, but add a reaper to the text we have two and two.

So, are you saying that Renard wanted to kill Aunt Marie so that Nick would become a Grimm quicker? Then Renard has Nick the Grimm as a potential asset for his own purposes?

Under the original "one grimm has to die for someone else to become a grimm" rules, that actually gives Renard a real motive to send Adalind in to finish her off.

Renard's motive for all that is something I've wondered about.

You hit on a point I hadn't thought about. You're right seeing a dead reaper tells Renard Marie is a Grimm and Nick can be a Grimm for him to use if he kills aunt Marie now we have the reason for Adalind. Might add this for thought could the royals have known Kessler's were a keeper of a key and now he has that info as well that this could be THE Kessler?