(09-24-2018, 11:26 PM)dicappatore Wrote: I disagreed with your opinions on what your opinions were based on. So far according to your latest post, I don't see to many dependencies on the facts. Here are a few of the dependencies, i do see, if taken and considered by you, I am sure your opinion would have a different outlook.
Let's get something straight here. You're not basing your responses entirely on facts. If you were, you wouldn't be throwing Juliette and Renard in every now and then for good measure when the thread has nothing to do with them. I have not seen one post from you that is based solidly on fact and fact alone, despite your protests to the contrary. Everyone here, including you, has their opinions and they're not shy about voicing them. I personally don't mind opinions. They give me something to think about. So for the sake of good debating, let's allow both, okay?
(09-24-2018, 11:26 PM)dicappatore Wrote: She had very good reasons for breaking her "pact". She came to Nick because the coins found Nick. She came to Nick because the assassin was after the coins and Nick. As I recall, the assassin was about to kick Nick in the ass and she, again, saved his ass. Lest not forget, That guy was also on her target list as the last of the gang she was after for her revenge.
Well, here are some things I was pondering as I read this part of the thread. When this episode occurs, Nick has been a grimm for a year and a cop for even longer. He knows that the legacy and the job come with dangers because he's lived them. He'd really be stupid if he didn't think that those dangers might just follow him to his house. The fact that he never put much security into that house speaks volumes.
Why did Kelly step in? Did she really feel that the assassin kicking Nick's ass would put him so near death that she would have to break her word to save his life? If this is such a severe ass kicking, Nick certainly isn't worse for wear. In other words, he doesn't go to the hospital immediately after this fight. He, in fact, has the strength to get back on his feet and intelligently converse with his mother.
(09-24-2018, 11:26 PM)dicappatore Wrote: So you can see where we differ. I am sure she did wish to perpetuate the myth and I am also sure, she knew she wasn't getting any younger and, in her cold heart-ed way, wanted to see her only son before she passed on. Combine the additional danger those coins put her son in? How could she NOT break her pact? AND, this is a BIG "AND", IMO, she saved his life.
I'm countering with this. Kelly gave her word to give Nick up permanently because even the remote possibility of association just adds more danger for him. That is a fact, right out of her mouth. So just what does keeping her word mean to Kelly?
(09-24-2018, 11:26 PM)dicappatore Wrote: Many kids are removed from unsuitable parents every day. Are you now claiming, at this juncture, in your opinion, was Adalind fit mother? Was her upbringing by the Royals a better option? Remember, Sean was the one and according to their plan, turned over Diana to the Royal family. IMO, the gang kidnapped her from the kidnappers.
At that juncture, Adalind was an evil person. Her actions support just how evil she was. However, the plan was for Kelly to take both Adalind and baby to South America. Both Adalind and Kelly were in agreement with the plan. When complications arose and they couldn't go to South America, all of the sudden Kelly feels she can just step in and take over. She did not contact her superiors for change of plan. She changed the plans herself and ended up on Nick's doorstep.
I don't recall Nick, Juliette, the scoobies, or Renard making one remark that Adalind was an unfit mother. That was all Kelly. It was her scheme and she got them all to go along with her.
(09-24-2018, 11:26 PM)dicappatore Wrote: Again, you are quick to criticize the action they all took, excluding Sean & Juliette, yet you don't mention a better option. or a better situation to contemplate. To me, this was a much better outcome for Diana. To me, when we see her on the end of the last episode, IMO, the good side of the equation. When she says, "we have Wesen to kill", to me, is a good thing. To me, that was Kelly's legacy of her influence on Diana during those first few years of her fast evolving life. I guess, for you, that was not to your liking and she was on the wrong side of that equation.
Well, let's just focus on the Kessler sisters because, once again, they are the topic of this thread. I will say this, however. Kelly's legacy of influence should be on her son, not on a baby she kidnapped.
(09-24-2018, 11:26 PM)dicappatore Wrote: Here you go again. You claim, Kelly exposed Diana to "GRAVE" danger, yet you totally discount Juliette's action for being the culprit of putting both, the mother of the love of her life and Diana. You claim Kelly was careless, yet you show no opinion on what Juliette did to make her feel safe. Don't you find that a "bit" odd? Don't you see that Juliette was the one that put both in danger by using the trust Kelly had in her? Does Juliette have any skin in this situation?
Again, the topic of the thread is the Kessler sisters. I would rather we refrain from bringing "what Juliette did to make Diana safe" into the debate.
My issue in regard to this post revolves around Kelly's activities that night. Prior to that fateful evening, Kelly kidnapped Diana to keep her safe from the parties who could negatively influence the child's destiny. We also know from Kelly's own lips that she has many enemies. So many she permanently avoided contact with her son. As she's done the damage by kidnapping the child, wouldn't the solution be to stay away regardless of what danger arises?
You stated earlier I blamed Kelly for being too stupid to see the trap that Juliette had set up. Kelly gets an email from Juliette and is on her way. With Diana. Out in the open. Weaponless. She still doesn't get it even when Juliette isn't physically present to open the door for her. Maybe I'm missing something here but those are not the actions of a rational woman. They're not even the actions of a grimm.
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