06-27-2015, 10:22 AM
(06-27-2015, 08:25 AM)irukandji Wrote:(06-27-2015, 07:27 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: Just my thoughts Nick has never said he can look at a wesen and see good or bad. Monroe and Rosalee told him (only if he sees them woge) they see their true wesen nature in his eyes and that took awhile to get use to, but Juliette would know that so I figured she would have no reaction to how Nick saw her. In the episode a the carnival the blutbad that woge for the show had problems was losing his human side didn't mean he was bad just going that way. This was why Rosalee wanted to help.
That's what Monroe said one time he had to work at staying human first of second episode. Just my thoughts.
Let me back this up a bit. It's been mentioned more than once that Aunt Marie warned Nick to end his relationship with Juliette. He did not and Juliette's dead. It was a foretelling of sorts.
Adriano is using the same thought process, if I am understanding him correctly. He quoted what Monroe said to Juliette In "Endangered":
Quote:A Grimm is someone who can see into the heart of darkness. Someone who sees things other people don't understand.
Adriano is saying that Monroe is foretelling Juliette's transformation into a hexenbiest *and* that she will embrace the dark side of wesen completely. That nature will overtake her, hence the heart of darkness.
Again, if I am understanding the argument correctly, when Juliette woged before Nick for the first time it isn't her external face that grosses Nick out. Adriano is saying Nick can see right through her into her heart. That's what grosses him out.
You're right, Nick never said this. But I think we all can agree that something happened to him when he looked at Juliette. I think it's merely physical and to me, that shows a shallowness about Nick. I was also trying to tie in the cheating remark in but that didn't work. Adriano says it's deeper than that because he's saying Monroe foretold this to Juliette in the second season.
While I don't necessarily agree with what Adriano is saying, I think it's a very interesting argument. Please join in with your thoughts.
Hope that helps.
irukandji, jsgrimm45 and the others members of the gourp.
Today I am with little time to answer the questions here, but I will answer. In the mean time, reading the above post, I come up with a question that I would like to read your thoughts... And it has to do with our debate here.
We are talking if Nick can see inside or ouside... If he sees darkneess or goodness.... But I started to wndering that this is the wrong aproach.
The real apoach, I think, is:
What does mean being a wesen? Is it just phisical? or does it have to do with something mentaly... or even spiritual too?
jsgrimm45 mentioned about an episode where a blutbad that was forced to woge many times for a show could had problems because he could lose his human side. This made Rosalee enter in the circus to help take him out of there. What does it means for a wesen? Loosing his human nature?