10-16-2016, 06:33 AM
Are there any "Nick & Juliette" videos on youtube? Fans seem to love dumping on Julie, but IMO they had a more genuine relationship going until the writers decided to sabotage it.
10-16-2016, 06:33 AM
Are there any "Nick & Juliette" videos on youtube? Fans seem to love dumping on Julie, but IMO they had a more genuine relationship going until the writers decided to sabotage it.
10-16-2016, 06:59 AM
(10-16-2016, 06:33 AM)Hexenadler Wrote: Are there any "Nick & Juliette" videos on youtube? Fans seem to love dumping on Julie, but IMO they had a more genuine relationship going until the writers decided to sabotage it.I’d be shocked if there aren’t. If you’re feeling brave, a quick Google or YouTube search will probably bring up a ton of Nick/Juliette fanvids and fanfics. I think for many fans, the Juliette hate stems more from who she struck out against than what she actually did. If a character throws a rock and it happens to hit Nick or one of his club members then the rock-throwing character must be evil to the core.
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10-16-2016, 07:05 AM
10-16-2016, 08:13 AM
(10-16-2016, 07:05 AM)Hexenadler Wrote:You’d be reacting to a horrific event that effected you directly and personally. Would you hunt down the person who beheaded a friend’s mother so he/she could kill the person? Hank and Wu did. Then Nick and Hank arrested a Wesen for doing the same thing in the episode ‘Maiden Quest’.(10-16-2016, 06:59 AM)Robyn Wrote: I think for many fans, the Juliette hate stems more from who she struck out against than what she actually did.I don't know about that. If my girlfriend was responsible for my mother's head ending up inside a box, I'd probably make sure she shared the same fate. Was the man in ‘Maiden Quest’ arrested because he orchestrated a murder, (Renard orchestrated a murder & wasn't arrested), was a Wesen, or because he doesn’t benefit from the same double standard as Nick, the Grimm? Was the daughter not arrested because Nick & Hank believed she was protecting the target or because the target was human and the men she killed were Wesen? IMO, the Juliette hate would have been less had the spell-induced Hexenbiest caused Juliette to exhibit erratic & violent behavior that spurred a killing spree of unknown, randomly selected Wesen. IMO, there would have been more sympathy for Juliette, and more understanding of why Nick wanted to help her & continued to love her despite the multiple killings. Nick & Juliette’s neighbors shouldn’t be less important just because they aren’t Nick’s mother or Grimms. But, you’re one of the few who bring up their fate when discussing Juliette’s fall to the dark side. For many, it’s all about Nick & his mother. The other deaths don’t matter in the larger scheme.
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You are correct about the personal affront towards Nick earning her a lot of hatred but I don't think people would have been more sympathetic to her if she'd kept Kelly out of it. She was already intensely disliked for doing nothing wrong for years and her having her "innocent" neighbours killed as some spell induced insanity wouldn't have earned her any points no matter how determined Nick was to get her the help she needed. She'd always be knows as a murderer or an accomplice because she conspired with the actual killers. No one who already disliked Juliette would ever forget that. The reason people harp on Kelly is because she had name, a face and a personal link to the protagonist. Nick's poor neighbour were just blocks on a computer screen. There wasn't a connection fostered between them and the viewer, unfortunately.
10-16-2016, 09:53 AM
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(10-16-2016, 08:13 AM)Robyn Wrote: Nick & Juliette’s neighbors shouldn’t be less important just because they aren’t Nick’s mother or Grimms. But, you’re one of the few who bring up their fate when discussing Juliette’s fall to the dark side. For many, it’s all about Nick & his mother. The other deaths don’t matter in the larger scheme. I once posted a suggestion to the twitter account of the Grimm writers for Juliette to be kidnapped and placed on a makeshift trial by relatives of the neighbors who were murdered by Kenneth's thugs on the night she betrayed Kelly, forcing Julie to come face-to-face with how much damage her little rampage REALLY did. They probably ignored it.
10-16-2016, 10:07 AM
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Shippers love to make videos and write fanfic that showcases their fav couples, and their efforts shouldn’t be critiqued for accuracy. This is really the best point to be made about a fanvid. It can be critiqued on things such as music and editing but the uploader is not going for accuracy. They're not trying to give people a short summary on what the show is really about. I see nothing wrong with it. I'm pretty sure Nick and Juliette have some too but I always got the feeling they were never as popular as Monroe/Rosalee or even Nick/Adalind as far as the online community is concerned. I've seen plenty of support for Nick/Adalind as early as season two before they had any believable reason for being together. I think people just view it as hotter or sexier than Nick/Juliette. It's not all about the storyline in itself. I read something on another thread about people preferring Adalind over Juliette simply because she was "hotter" or not as "dull" as Juliette. Juliette would still have her detractors even if she didn't become Hexenette because some fans felt like she didn't stack up to the other characters. Nick isn't exciting either but he's the main character and some thought that scenes with Adalind brought out the best in him which is why it started to catch on with fans. (10-16-2016, 08:37 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: You are correct about the personal affront towards Nick earning her a lot of hatred but I don't think people would have been more sympathetic to her if she'd kept Kelly out of it. She was already intensely disliked for doing nothing wrong for years and her having her "innocent" neighbours killed as some spell induced insanity wouldn't have earned her any points no matter how determined Nick was to get her the help she needed. She'd always be knows as a murderer or an accomplice because she conspired with the actual killers. No one who already disliked Juliette would ever forget that. The reason people harp on Kelly is because she had name, a face and a personal link to the protagonist. Nick's poor neighbour were just blocks on a computer screen. There wasn't a connection fostered between them and the viewer, unfortunately. True. This also happened with a person we do know, Catherine. Kelly murdered her, only was let off because "she didn't really mean to murder her". Nick covered that one up. Nick murdered a guy in a bar but because he was a zombie and "didn't know what he was doing", he was let off the hook. Renard covered that one up. Renard murdered three women but was let off because he was under the possession of a ghost and "didn't know what he was doing". The scoobies covered that one up. Yet, Juliette, who was a friend to all of them, doesn't even get that much credit. Adalind told Rosalee, "YOU don't know what it's like" when she was talking about the hexenbiest taking control. Adalind should know, and yet that's not even enough to excuse Juliette. Kelly ventured into an area with Diana where she had no business being. She was told to stay away and keep the baby safe. She agreed to do just that. She knew the royals were in town and yet she still returned to the obvious place where the henchmen would be. As a result, she made a big mess. How many lives would have been spared had Kelly just ignored the email message?
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10-16-2016, 10:20 AM
It just highlights the twisted morality of all the characters.
10-16-2016, 10:22 AM
(10-16-2016, 10:20 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: It just highlights the twisted morality of all the characters. Exactly. It boils down to the fact that all of them have dirty hands. No one should be held accountable for their actions unless all of them are.
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