Is BC really the bad guy

[syscrash]

If we way the actions we have seen. BC attacked the shops and killed two shop owners. They also lured Nick and the gang into a trap.

Then you have HW. Just for starters. They kidnapped Trubel. They kidnapped Juliette. Now it seems they where holding Diana. HW went on a killing spree trying to find someone that would talk. They assassinated the leader. They justify there action as operating for the grater good. I have one answer "yellow cake". Fifteen years later people are still dying behind that lie of how it is for the greater good.

As a none wesen I could see how HW would be your preferred choice, no down side. But as a wesen, what would be the advantage to siding with HW. They are not concerned about wesen interest. BC is the one fighting for wesen to be openly wesen. HW wants to continue the don't ask don't tell policy. Anyone who has been part of that US policy realizes how that does not work.

As for Nick, his joining BC has one big advantage. HW came for Trubel, They came for Juliette. They came for Diana. Does he really think they will not come for Kelly.

As for Monroee and Rosalee HW already has them in their wesen database. If wesen demand equal treatment and continue to use force to get it. Do monroe and rosalee really think HW would not round them up along with the other wesen. Based on the history of this country yes. McCarthy era, Japanese interment. Even in 2016 the push to ban Muslims.

To me this is a great country, the ideas put for are great. It is the execution of these idea where this country gets a fail. When you can proclaim all men are created equal, yet condone slavery, deny women, and exclude gays. When you say you are founding this country on the idea that it's people are entitled to be free. Yet commit the biggest act of genocide against the indigenous population makes the words have little meaning. Hilter may have tried to exterminate the jews. we succeeded in exterminating the native americans. and entire continent of people. Any when the few left ask to change the offensive team name the red skins. The response is they are over reacting. Being a fan of HW, I am sorry I just can't drink the kool aid. I am sure a lot has to do with my being part of a minority. Makes it easy to identify with wesen.

[Robyn]

Agree that HW is much like any other organization - justifying bad acts as necessary for the greater good. But I consider Team Grimm being in the same category. Your example of HW taking people, by force if necessary, is a perfect example of the ‘it’s not wrong if the good guys do it’ philosophy.

Also agree that considering their strong interest in Diana, Kelly is not off HW’s radar as Trubel insinuated. If anything, because Kelly is an infant and HW assumes Nick will eventually join, it’s best to leave him with his parents.

Nothing so far has indicated HW would round up Wesen that have stayed neutral, but as you mentioned about internment, the Japanese-Americans didn’t anticipate interment camps.

I think Kelly B. would be a perfect fit with HW and their tactics.

Very interesting, syscrash, thanks.

[irukandji]

Even after Friday's episode, I am not entirely convinced BC are the bad guys. I have yet to see them hunting down and exterminating innocent humans to further their cause. I don't like them threatening little babies, but would Bonaparte really hurt Kelly? In a sense, doing so would be hurting his own kind, and could cause repercussions throughout Black Claw. Some of the people attending the rallies looked like regular, hard working guys. No doubt they have children.....

After watching HW, I'm still not sure they're the good guys. We know they carry out their threats. Juliette was beaten, probably over and over again, until she agreed to become someone else entirely and join their organization. I imagine Trubel went through a similar treatment. As a side note, it is interesting to me that a Grimm gets to retain her identity but a hexenbiest does not. The oddities of Grimm.

[Kathryn Wooten]

Even after Friday's episode, I am not entirely convinced BC are the bad guys. I have yet to see them hunting down and exterminating innocent humans to further their cause. I don't like them threatening little babies, but would Bonaparte really hurt Kelly? In a sense, doing so would be hurting his own kind, and could cause repercussions throughout Black Claw. Some of the people attending the rallies looked like regular, hard working guys. No doubt they have children.....

After watching HW, I'm still not sure they're the good guys. We know they carry out their threats. Juliette was beaten, probably over and over again, until she agreed to become someone else entirely and join their organization. I imagine Trubel went through a similar treatment. As a side note, it is interesting to me that a Grimm gets to retain her identity but a hexenbiest does not. The oddities of Grimm.

I think what they did to Juliette was because she was powerful, but uncontrollable
Trubel is stubborn as heck and there for she needed the rough treatment (even though I am waiting for Trubel to kick Meisners 2ss one day for what he did)
As for BC as we seen in the episode Taming of the Wu BC was threatening everyone Kelly, Adalind Nick...I know Renard knew in the back of his mind that he would had suffer the same threat Adalind did, if he did not comply to being the next mayor
As for BC his tentacles are starting to tighten. Around Portland. He tried to have Wu killed off he is no use to BC.. Hank is in serious trouble. And we are still waiting on what he has plans for Monroe and Rosalee..they are wesen so he may not do anything to them yet. Unless Nick does not comply to BC demands that he join.....BC just don't know what he did when he put Renard, Diana and Adalind to gather, they are their own force to be dealt with.....BC as the bad guy, totally. Now we must wait another week (Who said that the singer Adele in NY should take the place of Grimm , I mean I like her and all, but we should not have to suffer waiting a whole week to see our show.

[irukandji]

I think what they did to Juliette was because she was powerful, but uncontrollable
Trubel is stubborn as heck and there for she needed the rough treatment (even though I am waiting for Trubel to kick Meisners 2ss one day for what he did)
As for BC as we seen in the episode Taming of the Wu BC was threatening everyone Kelly, Adalind Nick...I know Renard knew in the back of his mind that he would had suffer the same threat Adalind did, if he did not comply to being the next mayor
As for BC his tentacles are starting to tighten. Around Portland. He tried to have Wu killed off he is no use to BC.. Hank is in serious trouble. And we are still waiting on what he has plans for Monroe and Rosalee..they are wesen so he may not do anything to them yet. Unless Nick does not comply to BC demands that he join.....BC just don't know what he did when he put Renard, Diana and Adalind to gather, they are their own force to be dealt with.....BC as the bad guy, totally. Now we must wait another week (Who said that the singer Adele in NY should take the place of Grimm , I mean I like her and all, but we should not have to suffer waiting a whole week to see our show.

But would BC have treated Juliette and Trubel in the same way, or would they have used different tactics?

[FaceInTheCrowd]

BC isn't planning some wholesale slaughter or conquest of kehrseite. There'd never be enough wesen to maintain control. Their end game is much the same as that of the last megalomaniac wesen (Hitler the blutbad). Create unrest to unsettle the masses, then maneuver themselves into positions of political power by promising to bring order. They want to gain control of the global political process and economy, not send the whole thing crashing down into worthlessness.

BC's overt threats and acts of violence have so far been against wesen who refused to join up and wesen who have already allied themselves with the status quo. IOW, first unify your own and cleanse the ranks. The next level of violence would be grimms like Nick and Trubel who won't come over, and kehrseite-schlich-kennens like Hank, Meisner and the rest of HW who know what's happening and are prepared to fight it.

HW is the secret army of kehrseite world power. They are probably no better or worse than the intelligence ops of any real-life world government. Which, as history has shown, can be pretty damned bad. What they did to Juliette was basically MKULTRA on steroids.

[wfmyers1207]

I beg to differ with you. BC is basically a fascist organization. Just like the Nazis, they will try to justify their actions. Indeed, they will try to cloak them in a sense of righteousness. They should rule the world because they are "superior" to everyone else. "Ubermenschen". It's all complete bulsh^&!

What needs to happen to BC is Nick putting the a$$holes in the ground. End discussion!

[FaceInTheCrowd]

That's certainly the way they run themselves internally. And it is probably how they'll try to restructure the politics of the world. But they're still not going to go full woge and try to conquer the kehrseite by force. They'll infiltrate the power structure of as many countries as they can, then rally their ignorant kehrseite followers to be their cannon fodder against the others. Just like the mustached blutbad did in 1930s Germany.

[New Guy]

Hello Iruk,
You commented:

Juliette was beaten, probably over and over again, until she agreed to become someone else entirely and join their organization. I imagine Trubel went through a similar treatment. As a side note, it is interesting to me that a Grimm gets to retain her identity but a hexenbiest does not. The oddities of Grimm.

IMO, the writers attempted to eliminate Hexenette's identity because she became a heinous villain and Nick's nemesis so many Grimm fans wanted her DEAD. However, the fans enjoyed how Trubel fought off villainous Wesen and saved Nick's life (and the show) from Hexenett's attempt to murder him. Many fans were pleased that the writers told us Hexenette was dead, but the creation of FrankenEve proves the writers do not believe in "Grimm Justice."
Here is an article about the Grimm Fairy Tales:
http://www.waldorflibrary.org/articles/1...airy-tales
It seems Jacob and Wilhelm found value of including Grimm Justice.
New Guy

[irukandji]

That's certainly the way they run themselves internally. And it is probably how they'll try to restructure the politics of the world. But they're still not going to go full woge and try to conquer the kehrseite by force. They'll infiltrate the power structure of as many countries as they can, then rally their ignorant kehrseite followers to be their cannon fodder against the others. Just like the mustached blutbad did in 1930s Germany.

I hope you're right. I wish the creative team would get on the stick and give us more information about BC. I see bits and pieces, just like with HW, not enough to see who's good and who's bad.