(06-12-2016, 01:12 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: I wouldn't say he doesn't have a conscience or never follows his conscience. It's just that his conscience seems to have an on/off switch.
Touche.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
(06-12-2016, 01:12 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: I wouldn't say he doesn't have a conscience or never follows his conscience. It's just that his conscience seems to have an on/off switch.
(06-12-2016, 01:12 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: I wouldn't say he doesn't have a conscience or never follows his conscience. It's just that his conscience seems to have an on/off switch.
Touche.
lol
Have to admit FITC came up with a good one that time.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
(06-12-2016, 09:28 AM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote: Sean is not a bad man......He knew that Bonaparte dream was now a nightmare to him starting with Miesner (when he showed no mercy)and the horror he learned that Bonaparte was going to exterminate the human race or the horror he saw in Adalind being choked or when he was threaten that his COMPASSION..is a danger to BC plan...so even Bonaparte saw that there is good in him he hated. I think the writers so desperately try to make Sean dark ..they .did not read his own history that Sean would never had drunk the kool aid...and with Bonaparte's mind control who knows if Sean really was towing the line or was made to believe it was the right thing...look how Diana can manipulate her father......I would not put it pass Bonaparte not filing Sean head with how great the revolution would be
I have been pretty hard on the writers of Grimm at times, but in their defense they were dealt a crap hand this season. It looks like they really thought this was the final season and were trying to wrap things up only to be given a reprieve. So I don't think they had the time to develop the characters positions/sentiments/inner relationships as much as they may have wanted.
(06-12-2016, 03:19 PM)izzy Wrote: I have been pretty hard on the writers of Grimm at times, but in their defense they were dealt a crap hand this season. It looks like they really thought this was the final season and were trying to wrap things up only to be given a reprieve. So I don't think they had the time to develop the characters positions/sentiments/inner relationships as much as they may have wanted.
I’m going to disagree because of the numerous episodes that contributed nothing to character evolvement and/or the Wesen uprising arc.
But maybe G & K insisted on specific stories/episodes because “they’re cool ideas” and the writers did the best they could with the time they had.
(06-12-2016, 09:28 AM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote: Sean is not a bad man......He knew that Bonaparte dream was now a nightmare to him starting with Miesner (when he showed no mercy)and the horror he learned that Bonaparte was going to exterminate the human race or the horror he saw in Adalind being choked or when he was threaten that his COMPASSION..is a danger to BC plan...so even Bonaparte saw that there is good in him he hated. I think the writers so desperately try to make Sean dark ..they .did not read his own history that Sean would never had drunk the kool aid...and with Bonaparte's mind control who knows if Sean really was towing the line or was made to believe it was the right thing...look how Diana can manipulate her father......I would not put it pass Bonaparte not filing Sean head with how great the revolution would be
As lousy as the season was covering the Wesen uprising arc, Renard’s role was pretty well covered. Every step of the way, Renard picked up on clues linking the mayoral race and other events to BC, processed the information and made the decision to move forward. By the time Renard was too deeply rooted in BC to get out, he’d already chosen BC over other viable options. But those other options didn’t make him mayor and didn’t give him power. It was only once he was too deeply embedded to get out that Renard realized he didn’t actually have any power, but was merely a front man for BC.
BC didn’t trick Renard into believing they were a worthy cause, they tricked him into believing he’d wield power within the organization.
06-12-2016, 05:19 PM (This post was last modified: 06-12-2016, 05:20 PM by izzy.)
(06-12-2016, 04:17 PM)Robyn Wrote: I’m going to disagree because of the numerous episodes that contributed nothing to character evolvement and/or the Wesen uprising arc.
But maybe G & K insisted on specific stories/episodes because “they’re cool ideas” and the writers did the best they could with the time they had.
Well I don't know these blokes from Adam, I have no idea if they are somebodies, hasbeens or never wases. Judging by the cast I would lean toward also rans, but what do I know? My point though is, unless these guys are heavy weights they probably were brushing up their resume, working their contact list, making calls, pushing new scripts and ideas and doing what they could to see some money rolling in in 2017.
And based on the reasoning above, I really am not hopeful for the next season. I really hope they is dare to be bold, take a few risks and take a run at the gold, but my guess is the writers have already moved beyond Grimm mentally and are already working on formulating their new series. Whatever they churn out for Grimm will be slipshod fun ideas or low hanging fruit. In other words they are likely now writing Grimm looking at is through the rear view mirror with their attention fixed on the road ahead and new horizons. That simply is human nature.
Greenwalt has a long history in TV, with series such as X-Files, Buffy, Angel and Eureka in his resume. Kouf has one foot in TV and the other on the big screen (Rush Hour, National Treasure). His most recent work is the screenplay for the George Clooney "Money Monster."
And by the fifth season, the creators of most series are working on their "next big thing" and offloading a lot of the ongoing work to others on their staffs.
At the beginning, I really thought BC was a global movement, that had its start across the ocean. Then the writers and show runners had to scramble around trying to downsize a big story by season's end, only to find out late in the game there was to be another 13 episodes to stretch things over. So it took on the feeling of a group centered in a small section of the US, with the goal of possibly using Portland as its center of operation to me. Should be interesting to see how they end the Grimm story, I have high hopes that most of us will get at least one important issue settled in a way that satisfies.
Guess my idea of a guerrilla type war waged by the Nick and company against an international wesen invasion of Portland, is off the table. So impractical but I wanted to see the mighty women of Grimm infiltrate the enemy camps as spies, waylay stray soldiers or advance scouts of BC, blow up ammunition dumps, and generally hit and run, leaving behind big casualties. No worries, maybe I can design one of those virtual reality games and do it myself, haha.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
(06-12-2016, 04:17 PM)Robyn Wrote: I’m going to disagree because of the numerous episodes that contributed nothing to character evolvement and/or the Wesen uprising arc.
But maybe G & K insisted on specific stories/episodes because “they’re cool ideas” and the writers did the best they could with the time they had.
Well I don't know these blokes from Adam, I have no idea if they are somebodies, hasbeens or never wases. Judging by the cast I would lean toward also rans, but what do I know? My point though is, unless these guys are heavy weights they probably were brushing up their resume, working their contact list, making calls, pushing new scripts and ideas and doing what they could to see some money rolling in in 2017.
And based on the reasoning above, I really am not hopeful for the next season. I really hope they is dare to be bold, take a few risks and take a run at the gold, but my guess is the writers have already moved beyond Grimm mentally and are already working on formulating their new series. Whatever they churn out for Grimm will be slipshod fun ideas or low hanging fruit. In other words they are likely now writing Grimm looking at is through the rear view mirror with their attention fixed on the road ahead and new horizons. That simply is human nature.
There were four writers of various S5 episodes in addition to Greenwalt, Kouf & Carpenter. I’m assuming final approval would come from G, K & C which means if an episode is crap it was approved by G, K & C.
If the show runners want to forsake the season arc or character development for Wesen of the week episodes then that’s what these guys are paid to write about. And you’re probably right, these writers are freelance and dipping their ink in numerous wells as opposed to one show that may or may not last another season.