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N_grimm · (This post was last modified: 01-16-2019 02:59 PM by N_grimm.)

(01-16-2019 01:35 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: Nick and Adalind's chemistry or Nick's love for Adalind isn't going to be defined. He can say he thinks she's a wonderful mother, that he wants her back, that he'd thought he go crazy without her, tell her about the stick (albeit off-screen) and take it upon himself to go into the mirror rather than let her do it but I don't know if people would define it as love. There are other things he did such as have faith in her when she told him her Hexenbiest had returned.

Nick and Adalind found themselves attracted to each other even though they both probably preferred not to be. Adalind denied her feelings in the first half of season 5 and Nick did it for even longer. If it weren't for their tumultuous history, they may have announced their attraction sooner.

As for Grimms being being emotionally detached, I didn't see it as necessary in the show. Nick and Trubel certainly weren't and neither were Kelly and Marie as it turned out. Nick's emotions ended up being the key to saving the world after all. He was compromised at first but Trubel helped him to get to a point where those emotions worked for him rather than against him.

Hell, this is a very good answer and spot on observation. I think that's how most people saw it.

(01-16-2019 01:09 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Nick and Adalind always had an underlying tension between them. I think it was originally meant to be part of them being each other's nemesis, but to me it always seemed more like the boy and girl who seem to hate each other all through grammar school but end up engaged by the time they graduate high school.

That's how I saw it, too.

(01-16-2019 12:07 PM)irukandji Wrote: I have seen little to show that Nick loves Adalind.

I think Hell and Face have answered this excellently, so I just want to add some relevant quotes from the show:

s06e12:
Nick to Adalind: “I love you”.

s06e07:
Adalind: “Ah, we are so lucky to have friends like these”.
Nick: “Yeah, and for us to have us”.

s604:
Adalind: “I'm so happy to be back here with you”.
Nick: “Yeah, me too. I thought I was gonna go crazy without you”.

s0603:
Eve to Nick: “You love Adalind”.
Nick: “Why are you asking?”
Eve: “I'm not. I can feel it”.

s05e20
Renard to Nick. “I'm not your enemy”.
Nick: “You have Adalind and my son. Doesn't exactly make you my friend”.
[…]
Renard: “Nick, sometimes the only way to protect the ones you love is to let them go”.
Nick: “And sometimes the only way to protect the ones you love is to kill the people who threaten them”.

dicappatore · (This post was last modified: 01-16-2019 03:17 PM by dicappatore.)

(01-16-2019 02:48 PM)N_grimm Wrote:
(01-16-2019 12:07 PM)irukandji Wrote: I have seen little to show that Nick loves Adalind.

I think Hell and Face have answered this excellently, so I just want to add some relevant quotes from the show:

s06e12:
Nick to Adalind: “I love you”.

s06e07:
Adalind: “Ah, we are so lucky to have friends like these”.
Nick: “Yeah, and for us to have us”.

s604:
Adalind: “I'm so happy to be back here with you”.
Nick: “Yeah, me too. I thought I was gonna go crazy without you”.

s0603:
Eve to Nick: “You love Adalind”.
Nick: “Why are you asking?”
Eve: “I'm not. I can feel it”.

s05e20
Renard to Nick. “I'm not your enemy”.
Nick: “You have Adalind and my son. Doesn't exactly make you my friend”.
[…]
Renard: “Nick, sometimes the only way to protect the ones you love is to let them go”.
Nick: “And sometimes the only way to protect the ones you love is to kill the people who threaten them”.

N, I want to see episodes time stamps of these quotes. I need to verify them. Did you (cough) make all this up? What were you watching?

irukandji · (This post was last modified: 01-16-2019 03:56 PM by irukandji.)

(01-16-2019 02:48 PM)N_grimm Wrote: I think Hell and Face have answered this excellently, so I just want to add some relevant quotes from the show:

You are talking about the scene where Nick told Adalind he loved her, then took it back when he went back in time.

If he took it back, wouldn't it be non existent then?

And again, I merely said, hypothetically, that if Nick were real, I would ask him what it was about Adalind that he loved. Surely the man could provide some kind of answer. Right?

Henry of green · (This post was last modified: 01-16-2019 04:36 PM by Henry of green.)

(01-16-2019 03:54 PM)irukandji Wrote:
(01-16-2019 02:48 PM)N_grimm Wrote: I think Hell and Face have answered this excellently, so I just want to add some relevant quotes from the show:

You are talking about the scene where Nick told Adalind he loved her, then took it back when he went back in time.

If he took it back, wouldn't it be non existent then?

And again, I merely said, hypothetically, that if Nick were real, I would ask him what it was about Adalind that he loved. Surely the man could provide some kind of answer. Right?

He didn’t take it back he was dragged throw the portal and taken back in time something that had never happened before on the show and he certainly didn’t know it was possible when he said I love you to Adalind, he knows he said he loves Adalind as do the audience it’s not non existent it was shown onscreen . The actors have said he loves Adalind as have the writers. Also not only did he tell Adalind he loved her before the time reset , he also basically begged his aunt and mother to let him hand over the stick so he could have her back. Though if that makes you happy you can pretend he doesn’t love her.
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FaceInTheCrowd · 01-16-2019, 04:17 PM

I don't think Nick was ever shown to be a very introspective person. When he and Adalind first moved in together he told Monroe he wasn't sure how he was supposed to feel, and he probably never did figure that out.

And yes, turning back time definitely undid the "I love you" scene, but he probably did it again first chance he got. The do over was the whole point of the going back, after all.

N_grimm · 01-16-2019, 04:39 PM

(01-16-2019 03:54 PM)irukandji Wrote:
(01-16-2019 02:48 PM)N_grimm Wrote: I think Hell and Face have answered this excellently, so I just want to add some relevant quotes from the show:

You are talking about the scene where Nick told Adalind he loved her, then took it back when he went back in time.

If he took it back, wouldn't it be non existent then?

And again, I merely said, hypothetically, that if Nick were real, I would ask him what it was about Adalind that he loved. Surely the man could provide some kind of answer. Right?

Doesn't matter, it was still Nick expressing his feelings. He did not take it back, he was sucked true the portal. And it was just one of many things he said and did that illustrated his love for Adalind. I included more than one quote. Of course he would provide some sort of answer. But it’s not that easy to describe exactly why you love someone. Nick said she was a wonderful mother and described her as “pretty,blonde”, I’m sure he could add more.

irukandji · (This post was last modified: 01-16-2019 10:06 PM by irukandji.)

(01-16-2019 04:39 PM)N_grimm Wrote: He did not take it back, he was sucked true the portal. And it was just one of many things he said and did that illustrated his love for Adalind.

You're splitting hairs. Nick went back in time because his wish was that they all be alive and well. Aside from that, as far as Adalind is concerned, it never happened.

(01-16-2019 04:39 PM)N_grimm Wrote: But it’s not that easy to describe exactly why you love someone. Nick said she was a wonderful mother and described her as “pretty,blonde”, I’m sure he could add more.

You really don't think Nick could come up with an explanation? Certainly he could do better than stating that Adalind is a wonderful mother or a pretty blonde, don't you think?

That's what I would be interested in, because we would have it from his point of view.

(01-16-2019 04:00 PM)Henry of green Wrote: Though if that makes you happy you can pretend he doesn’t love her.

You never read posts, do you, henry? You just spout something out, whether it makes sense or not. I never said Nick didn't love her. I merely posed a hypothetical question. You yourself have commented that you didn't think much of his relationship with Juliette. During that relationship, he told her he loved her, more than once. We all know how that relationship ended.

I'm not discounting those three little words, but by the time Nick gets hurtled back through the mirror, Adalind's never heard them.

brandon · 01-19-2019, 06:57 AM

You can tell that after everything Nick went through on the other side, he would declare that loves her, in the bed.But maybe better before his friends, because he would show his true feelings.

irukandji · 01-19-2019, 08:31 AM

(01-19-2019 06:57 AM)brandon Wrote: You can tell that after everything Nick went through on the other side, he would declare that loves her, in the bed.But maybe better before his friends, because he would show his true feelings.

Nick's friends could never make the comment that Nick loves Adalind until Nick tells her himself.

dicappatore · 01-19-2019, 09:44 AM

Please folks, don't be lead down the rabbit hole by "SOME". Lets say when Nick went through this portal and back in time and never said he loved Adalind. Lets say that this ridiculous idea is true.

Once he came back out, he came back to the original time line he left and the "I love you" incident was still in their reality. In the same real timeline he left.