Difference between Nick's two relationships

[rpmaluki]

Also probably why Adalind didn't tell Nick the complete truth about what Sean said regarding Diana being with the resistance. Adalind didn't know who to trust. She was the only one on team Adalind at that point.

I don't fault her one bit for it.

[dicappatore]

Silver really a deep kiss of gradatitde it was a kiss someone's grandma would give them when saying goodbye. I'm not saying she didn't find him attractive off course she did ,him and nick are probably the two best looking dudes in the grimm universe. I mean was there a scene of her daydreaming about him I missed.He thought about her her in his daydream about their time together did she ever do the same certiantly not on the show I watched.

A person doesn't always see things for what they are - in this case, a deeply grateful Adalind! Only because he saved her life and Diana's, in a really tough situation MANY times - battling bad guys as they make their way to the plane for one. You guys seem to believe with all your hearts, that a grateful woman should deliver bj's and chandelier sex at the drop of a dime.

They're on the run, they're cold as hell, snow on the ground, killer Verat after them, getting ready to board a plane with a strange (and I mean strange) woman she knows nothing about going who knows where; Adalind didn't just ask Meisner if he was coming with them as part of a casual conversation. You don't know looks, like the ones she was giving him in the car, etc., on an occasion or three.

I'm not saying she should have given him more, your the one bringing sex into this not me. If she was really was into him would it not have been just as easy To give him a small kiss on the lips. your making more out of the relationship than was shown on screen. If she cared so much for Miesner romantically as your stating why kiss nick barley 2 episodes after his return. why didn't she contect him again because she just wasn't as into romantically as your assuming. She asked him to come with them because she trusted him to take better care of them than Kelly because she knew him better and they had become friends.

Spot on Henry. That scene had nothing to do with sex. That is pure baseless speculation. It was all to do with her fear of the unknown and just wanted the safety from someone she learned to trust with her life.

[silver]

Silver really a deep kiss of gradatitde it was a kiss someone's grandma would give them when saying goodbye. I'm not saying she didn't find him attractive off course she did ,him and nick are probably the two best looking dudes in the grimm universe. I mean was there a scene of her daydreaming about him I missed.He thought about her her in his daydream about their time together did she ever do the same certiantly not on the show I watched.

A person doesn't always see things for what they are - in this case, a deeply grateful Adalind! Only because he saved her life and Diana's, in a really tough situation MANY times - battling bad guys as they make their way to the plane for one. You guys seem to believe with all your hearts, that a grateful woman should deliver bj's and chandelier sex at the drop of a dime.

They're on the run, they're cold as hell, snow on the ground, killer Verat after them, getting ready to board a plane with a strange (and I mean strange) woman she knows nothing about going who knows where; Adalind didn't just ask Meisner if he was coming with them as part of a casual conversation. You don't know looks, like the ones she was giving him in the car, etc., on an occasion or three.

I'm not saying she should have given him more, your the one bringing sex into this not me. If she was really was into him would it not have been just as easy To give him a small kiss on the lips. your making more out of the relationship than was shown on screen. If she cared so much for Miesner romantically as your stating why kiss nick barley 2 episodes after his return. why didn't she contect him again because she just wasn't as into romantically as your assuming. She asked him to come with them because she trusted him to take better care of them than Kelly because she knew him better and they had become friends.

Spot on Henry. That scene had nothing to do with sex. That is pure baseless speculation. It was all to do with her fear of the unknown and just wanted the safety from someone she learned to trust with her life.

I didn't say it had anything to do with sex - in the end, I was trying to get the main point across that it was inappropriate for a kiss-on-the-mouth. If anyone has sex on the brain, it ain't me...

[Robyn]

Meisner wasn’t selected to command HW operations in Portland as much as he inherited the position after Chavez’s death. One of the few constants in the uprising arc was that HW lacked qualified soldiers, so Meisner’s experience as a mercenary and with the Resistance fighting against the Royals probably made him acceptably qualified based on HW’s limited selection pool.

Robyn, HW wouldn't have even known about Meisner and Meisner wouldn't know about them. Nick couldn't even find out anything about them and they came to his house. Meisner appeared to me to enjoy the role of henchman. He's relatively unknown and so could get into places at Renard's (or anyone else's orders for that matter). I get that there was a big moonhole as far as lack of story behind Meisner being the leader of an HW satellite operation in Portland. But in the context of the series, it really makes no sense. He's a foreigner, he's an unknown, he never made it plain he wanted to lead anyone anywhere, and he's a henchman.

All shows deviate from viewers’ real life expectations in order to move their storylines along. As FitC has pointed out Renard’s wide scope of authority in the precinct not representing the proper chain of command, the same was done with the HW setup. Meisner was already an established character connected to Adalind, Renard, and Diana. Plus, the actor and the character had developed a fan following and was personally liked by the show’s creators. Considering that the show presented BC as a global threat and HW as jointly organized and funded by multiple governments, it’s not so farfetched that G & K would use the recurring character & actor with an established fan base rather than create a character who would die before a substantial amount of viewers would care about his horrible demise.

The creative team’s decision to use the Meisner character didn’t bother me, which probably had more to do with being a part of his fan base than anything else. My problem was that the character was plopped down in the middle of a government black ops vs. Wesen coop with nothing more than a one line explanation of, “this is more important”, then wasn’t given anything to do that was even remotely significant to the storyline. But that links back to my complaint about overall sloppy writing and characterization. So really, if the actor managed to continue his salary by portraying a poorly written character in a poorly written season arc, kudos to Mr. Puckler.

… Is it possible, that a show named “Grimm” would prioritize a Grimm over a dime-a-dozen slutty Hexenbiest…

Yes, Nick, the Grimm was the center of the show. However, the creative team didn’t write their central character or his friends as considering Juliette or Eve a slutty Hexenbiest.

My dear Robyn. Whether or not the writers wrote Juliette or Eve as a slutty Hexenbiest is inconsequential. Given some of the outrageous claims of some contributors. Scenes that did not occur or scenes completely denied. I reserve the right to label Juliette or Eve, whatever I choose to call her, based on my moral compass, judging her behavior.

Not just what she did at the end of season 4, but a collection of facts thought-out all the seasons, which the writers gave us of her past promiscuous activities, not by me but by deeds painted by the writers. You are welcomed to disagree, but I can show proof to back up my judgement.

You have a personal opinion of a character based on your personal interpretation and judgment just like anyone else commenting on the characters and story content. I didn’t suggest that your personal opinion was incorrect. I merely stated that the show did not present Nick and his friends as considering Juliette a slut before or after she became a Hexenbiest. And just as you choose to ignore the characters’ opinions when they contradict yours, so do all of us to varying degrees.

There’s very little objective critiquing about the writing and characterization on the forum. The discussions stem from contradicting personal interpretations and judgments, and while some may develop into heated debates, name calling and crude references diminish rather than enhance the discussions.

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Silver really a deep kiss of gradatitde it was a kiss someone's grandma would give them when saying goodbye.

I’m probably somewhere in the middle of deep and grandma. I was pleased that the writers kept Adalind and the Adalind/Meisner ‘relationship’ grounded in reality rather than showcasing Adalind's preconceived characterization.

Adalind’s interaction with Meisner was probably the first nonsexual intimacy she’d ever experienced. And while her kiss to his cheek might have appeared chaste, for me, it spoke volumes to both characters’ insight into their brief time together that was equally harrowing and trusting.

I'm not saying she didn't find him attractive off course she did ,him and nick are probably the two best looking dudes in the grimm universe. I mean was there a scene of her daydreaming about him I missed.He thought about her her in his daydream about their time together did she ever do the same certiantly not on the show I watched.

I agree with you, Henry, that Adalind was never shown having any feelings about Meisner other than possibly gratitude for helping her in the past. But then, the show didn’t explore any of the characters feelings, but rather just had them behaving one way or another depending on the episode.

I don’t know about the other seasons, but I watched enough of S5 & S6 to understand that G & K write a very direct and uncompromised path to their stories’ conclusion, ignoring gaping holes in character evolution even when they cry out for examination. So while I agree with you that the show presented Adalind as only attracted to and only in love with Nick, the gaping hole left from lack of examining the how, when, and where left me indifferent and unimpressed with their contrived S6 committed relationship.

[Henry of green]

The difference in the relationships

Nick loved juliette, unfortunately it wasn't enough for their relationship because they had other problems that they simply couldn't overcome , like open and honest communucation. Nick and adalind had excetly the same problems, if not worse at the end of the day, they communicated, wanted the same things in life they didn’t let the fact she was a Hexenbiest and he was a grimm get in the way because they both craved the family life. Adalind is a strong woman but she also likes a protector and Nick clearly enjoys that role in a relationship, Juliette was less suited for that Role as she is very headstrong and stubborn. Nick and Adalind also appeared to have similar childhoods as they both had perants who abandoned them. Nick and Adalind didn’t set out to fall in love but they were linked through Kelly and they built a bond through that link that would last over 20 years as confirmed by G&k.

Juliette really should have left nick years ago to be honest she threatened to leave him many times but she always came back for some reason . He lied to her in s1 and most of season 2 He brought dangerous monsters into her life in the early seasons and she nearly got killed on several occasions. Juliette always seemed insecure about Nick didn't believe he was faithful on severel occasions throughout the show and even accused him of cheating . Nick tried to give up the Grimm lifestyle in season 4 but couldn't give up so Juliette agreed to help him no one forced her she volunteered . She chose to stay with him after that , he didn't force her. Then she turned into a hexenbiest and finally left when she realized he wanted her back as human juliette not hexenbiest but instead of leaving to live the life that would make her happy, she went on a destroy Nick rampage hurting those he loved his friends and neighbors and his mother Kelly. This dispite the fact he did tell her that he would accept her like she accepted his grimm and he aslo told her he still loved her but juliette was no longer interested she had gone to the dark side. That was the final nail in the coffin of thier relationship there is no chance of reconciliation after help to put your boyfriends mother head in a box.

[brandon]

Juliette believed that Nick would be a killer for being one "GRIMM". Gave things for granted but only she believed in it.
She never spoke with Nick sincerely about the change.

[dicappatore]

The difference in the relationships

Nick loved juliette, unfortunately it wasn't enough for their relationship because they had other problems that they simply couldn't overcome , like open and honest communucation. Nick and adalind had excetly the same problems, if not worse at the end of the day, they communicated, wanted the same things in life they didn’t let the fact she was a Hexenbiest and he was a grimm get in the way because they both craved the family life. Adalind is a strong woman but she also likes a protector and Nick clearly enjoys that role in a relationship, Juliette was less suited for that Role as she is very headstrong and stubborn. Nick and Adalind also appeared to have similar childhoods as they both had perants who abandoned them. Nick and Adalind didn’t set out to fall in love but they were linked through Kelly and they built a bond through that link that would last over 20 years

Juliette really should have left nick years ago to be honest she threatened to leave him many times but she always came back for some reason . He lied to her in s1 and most of season 2 He brought dangerous monsters into her life in the early seasons and she nearly got killed on several occasions. Juliette always seemed insecure about Nick didn't believe he was faithful on severel occasions throughout the show and even accused him of cheating . Nick tried to give up the Grimm lifestyle in season 4 but couldn't give up so Juliette agreed to help him no one forced her she volunteered . She chose to stay with him after that , he didn't force her. Then she turned into a hexenbiest and finally left when she realized he wanted her back as human juliette not hexenbiest but instead of leaving to live the life that would make her happy, she went on a destroy Nick rampage hurting those he loved his friends and neighbors and his mother Kelly. This dispite the fact he did tell her that he would accept her like she accepted his grimm and he aslo told her he still loved her but juliette was no longer interested she had gone to the dark side. That was the final nail in the coffin of thier relationship there is no chance of reconciliation after help to put your boyfriends mother head in a box.

Jack-in-the-Box burgers ok, delicious (I am dating myself, again). Grimm-Mom-head-in-the-Box, buzz kill!

[ikarinokami]

The difference between the relationship is honesty.
the reason why nick and Juliette didn't work, is because nick wasn't really honest about he was once he became. it fails in season initially because nick tries to separate his Grimm self from Juliette, which is why she keeps refusing to marry him. The reason why hexanbeast Juliette doesn't work is that Nick is trying to separate grimm . When he said he would accept her, he is lying. You know he is lying because when Juliette says she likes who she has become, he responds we don't like it, if he had really accepted her he would not have said that, and that is what really angered Juliette imho and filled her with resentment. the conversation they had in the other world sum it up nicely, they never were there full selves with each other. I don't think this is a case of blame, moreso of bad timing, they just weren't fully developed in their own rights for a relationship work. but I think nick learned allot about himself due to its tragic failure, which set the ground work for his relationship with adalind

Nick and Adiland work because they are perfect for each other and nick has learn from his mistakes. first they are honest about themselves and the other person. this is not the same as trust, but two people in denial about who they are cant work. second when nick said he accepted adalind as a hexanbeast he meant it this time. He is also able to forgive Adalind easier because the vast majority of the things she had done wrong to them, was to get her child back, which is not something nick held against her. Juliette was always the angrier party against adalind that nick was. the thing I think that attacts nick to andalind is who she is as a mother. and Adalind is attracted to nick because he is a protector.

[syscrash]

Actually Nick and Adalind are far less honest with each other. The Nick and Juliette.
True Nick did not tell Juliette about his being a Grimm. But that was Nick trying to protect her. Juliette not telling Nick she was a hexenbiest was hypacritical, especially after her making such a fuss about Not telling her he was a Grimm.

With Nick and Adalind. Their entire relationship was one act of mistrust after another. Nick even said he did not trust her when asked about telling her about the stick. Adalind did not trust Nick about Sean and Diana. She also did not trust him with solving the Conrad threat. She also did not trust him when she got her powers back. Sure they eventually told each other. But only when there was no other option.

[ikarinokami]

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Actually Nick and Adalind are far less honest with each other. The Nick and Juliette.
True Nick did not tell Juliette about his being a Grimm. But that was Nick trying to protect her. Juliette not telling Nick she was a hexenbiest was hypacritical, especially after her making such a fuss about Not telling her he was a Grimm.

With Nick and Adalind. Their entire relationship was one act of mistrust after another. Nick even said he did not trust her when asked about telling her about the stick. Adalind did not trust Nick about Sean and Diana. She also did not trust him with solving the Conrad threat. She also did not trust him when she got her powers back. Sure they eventually told each other. But only when there was no other option.
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honesty and trust are not the same thing. sure they had trust issues, but they were honest about them, and honest about why they mistrusted he each, and honest about the fact that these trust issues existed, and honest about who they were as person. Once Nick became a Grimm Juliette and Nick never honest with each other sure they trusted each other, but they were never honest with each other. which is why after he became a grimm it's hard to say nick and julliette ever understood each other anymore.