03-10-2016, 07:14 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-10-2016, 07:41 PM by Adriano Neres Rodrigues.)
(03-10-2016, 06:16 PM)irukandji Wrote: I'm not excusing Juliette in any of this, she did a rotten thing. But Kenneth being a royal, he's considered a diplomat on American soil. I was reading about some of the outrageous true life things diplomats do and manage to get away with. I think that's the reason why there was never any big hoo ha over the ripper killings. Kenneth's body was quietly disposed of and I'm betting the story didn't even make the papers.
As for not caring, I actually don't fault Juliette for that. If she even cared in the least, she wouldn't have signed on with Kenneth for the duration. There was no guarantee that she was going to live through the night. Lots of big guns walking around with plans for a big battle. She could have ended up a casualty. She didn't care about her own life, otherwise she wouldn't have invited Nick to strangle her. That being the case, why would she care about anyone else's life?
You are right about the fact of the diplomatic issue. But what I am trying to say is that for me I consider Juliette guilty as if she knew even if she didn't knew. I mean... Knowing or not. Knowing I don't think it is important here.
Let me try to explain with another situation..
Person A and person B decide to break in person C house to take his money. Person C reacts to the robbery and person A shoot him. Person C dies.
Person A and person B are guilty of robbery and murder because their action of breaking in the house ended up with the death of person C. Can we prove person A intention was to kill since the beginning? No. But he killed. Can we prove person B knew the end of all this actions? No. But person B actions ended up with the death of person C.
Then person A and person B are guilty of murder.
If this was Brazil (I don't know if this is that different in usa) in real life those variables would define how much time person A and person B would stay in prison. I mean...
If they prove person A intention was to kill since the beginning he would be more time in prision.
If they prove person B knew person A intention he would be more time in prision.
If there were no prove person A intention was to kill and that person B knew... Person A would be more time in prision then person B since person A was the one who shoot. But in the criminal record of person A and person B would be recorded that both were murders. Because their actions ended up in murder.
That is my point. We can't prove even that Kenneth intention was to kill Kelly. Maybe he wanted to kidnap her and use she to blackmail Nick. But Kelly reacted and he was forced to kill her. Can anyone prove it isn't possible? Is there in the show any prove Kenneth planned Kelly death from the beginning?
But is that important?
For me that is not important. The important thing is that Kenneth and Juliette actions ended up in Kelly's death. Was it planned? Maybe yes maybe not. Does it change the fact that Juliette is a murder just like Kenneth? No.
Just like the person A and person B example.
(03-10-2016, 06:42 PM)syscrash Wrote: Adriano Neres Rodrigues you make one of the best observation "As I said... She didn't know because she didn't care...". That much I can agree with. Her having an optimistic view of the results. That would match my perspective. I expected Kelly beat up and defeated.Syscrash it is not only about Juliette being there and not stopping Kelly death.
But I can not judge Juliette as guilty as Kenneth for her lack of concern. As a society we have an obligation to look out for one another. But I am not required to look out for another well being. If someone is getting beat up am I required to step in no. Am I allowed to encourage them no, that is a crime inciting.
To feel that Juliette is responsible is understandable, morally she is. She is just not guilty of killing Kelly or planing to kill Kelly. Like the previous post stated even Nick does not thing that. He only feels she set Kelly up.
It is about Juliette actions resulting in Kelly's death. Juliette's actions killed Kelly. Did Juliette know it would happen? Probably no. But that didn't change the fact that Juliette directly helped in killing Kelly.