11-20-2018, 10:19 AM
(11-19-2018, 09:59 PM)irukandji Wrote: First off, I don't agree with the TVLINE assessment that Eve is showing signs of Juliette returning. I never got the impression that Juliette was returning. I did, however, get the impression that Eve was evolving.
Secondly, Eve has changed with regard to how she views herself. During that time when from that first time she met Nick in the restaurant, she told Nick, "they call me Eve". When she was on the other side with Nick, she told him there are things *she* can't forgive Juliette for. I am paraphrasing here, but my point is that she went from impersonal third party to acknowledging that she is Eve. She also acknowledges that she knows what she did is wrong and at the same time, tells us she knows what forgiveness is all about.
All of this was a result of the stick and her feelings coming back. Yes, Eve knew what Juliette did wrong and said she could never forgive her. I never denied that.
(11-20-2018, 05:03 AM)dicappatore Wrote: N, remember that scene was the beginning of the "Z" guy starting the killing off of all the people close to Nick so he could coerce Nick to hand over the stick. As we see in the end, all his friends were never actually killed. They all met their demise in that alternate world. A world that was never established as an alternative reality, maybe just in Nick's mind or something else.
So, my question to you about the scene you posted here. Was it something Nick wanted to hear from her or was it what the "Z" guy wanted him to hear from her? IMO, those words were never Eve/Juliette's words but the words of either Nick or Z-man.
dicappatore, interesting question. I don’t think it was something Nick wanted to hear, but I'm more open to the idea it was something "Z" guy wanted him to hear. Let me explain my reasoning:
I think Nick's first thought when he was brought back the second time was just what you write - that it was something he had imagined. But then he saw the ring was gone from Adalind's finger and that the Staff had come through the mirror. And we must assume Z is dead. So, everything can’t just be in Nick's mind.
But is it possible that everyone in the “other place”, except Nick and Diana, was just illusions controlled by Z? Perhaps that's why only Nick and Diana could see Kelly and Aunt Marie when they showed up to stop Nick from handing over the stick? But why did Truble actively try to stop Nick? And what happened to the ring? And I assume if the purpose was to get Nick to give up the stick to get Juliette / Eve back, Z would have made her say something else than "no regrets"?
But none of this was explained, so your guess is as good as mine.