A very interesting article that features Juliette's character

[Henry of green]

He was obviously conforming there objectives were reached sure he said to Juliette we got her about Diania while she is actually the one standing there with Diania. Juliette even smiled for a brief moment before looking sad.

[irukandji]

He was obviously conforming there objectives were reached sure he said to Juliette we get her about Diania while she is actually the one standing there with Diania. Juliette even smiled for a brief moment before looking sad.

But here's something to consider. Kenneth didn't trust Juliette.

[dicappatore]

He was obviously conforming there objectives were reached sure he said to Juliette we get her about Diania while she is actually the one standing there with Diania. Juliette even smiled for a brief moment before looking sad.

if that wasn't a sign of guilt in her part, what else could it be?

[New Guy]

Kenneth said differently, the first words he said to Juliette when he came into the house with Kelly's blood on him was we got her meaning Kelly, then he sees Juliette with Diania and says we've got her meaning Diania. So that implies they weee always after Kelly as well.

Yep, I recall that scene how he was so giddy on their accomplishment. To me he looked surprised that they were so successful. Talk about patting eachother on the shoulders for a job well done by all. If he wasn’t European, he probably would have exclaimed, “We are going to Disney World”, after boxing Kelly’s head.

Hi Guys,
His line was:

Kenneth: [He comes back inside with blood on his face] We got her. [Looking at Diana] And we've got her.

As I recall, only Kenneth, Juliette and Diana are in the room when he says his lines. Note the use of "we" as in he and Juliette "got her" (Kelly). Juliette fully knows what has happened to Kelly, but does not question at all. If you were Juliette and didn't "know" Kenneth's intentions, wouldn't you ask that blood spattered maniac "what do you mean by got her?" Then tell him "there is no 'we' about it, you never said you would kill her." Does anyone recall her saying anything like that?
How do we know Kenneth "boxed" Kelly's head? Wouldn't Juliette be the one who provides the box since she lived there several years? Another question to remain without answer.
N G

[Henry of green]

New guy, you know I think Juliette is 100 percent guilty of setting up Kelly’s death , but I think it is a step too far to say she might have helped put the head in the box because remember Juliette was looking after Diania. I doubt she was even in the room when they placed Kelly’s head in the box because she was looking after Diania. I also think she wouldn’t have had the nerve to do it as I feel she did feel some genuine regret over Kelly’s death.

[irukandji]

I also think she wouldn’t have had the nerve to do it as I feel she did feel some genuine regret over Kelly’s death.

Interesting.

[Henry of green]

I have always said she fully knew what would happen to Kelly and she should be held accountable for her actions. But I think during her time with Kenneth her rage against Nick blinded her to one singular goal making Nick and his friends pay for what happened to her. But on certain small occasions that rage wore off and the guilt of all she had done rose to the surface ,which is why she wanted Nick to kill her because the guilt was too much. But when Nick refused to kill her that rage rose to the surface again and she was going to kill him only trubel showed up, as Eve stated in season 5.

Irk, Thats why I think Eve doesn’t want to be Juliette agian because she doesn’t want to feel that guilt she wants to move on with her life. It really is a tragic tale but at least Eve now has a chance to build a life for her self. Believe or not I have actually felt empathy for Juliette many times throughout the show and have never whised her dead except for in season 4. I am actually glad she survived the series as killing her off after everything she has been through would be to much.

[irukandji]

I have always said she fully knew what would happen to Kelly and she should be held accountable for her actions.

This is assuming Kenneth confided everything to Juliette. But Kenneth made it plain he did not trust Juliette.

Irk, Thats why I think Eve doesn’t want to be Juliette agian because she doesn’t want to feel that guilt she wants to move on with her life. It really is a tragic tale but at least Eve now has a chance to build a life for her self.

You know, I think the reason that Eve appeared on the horizon was more for the character of Nick. Brandon mentioned that Nick couldn't look Juliette in the eye because he felt such guilt over what he'd done. As long as she's Juliette, Nick would have to deal with that. As Eve? eh, not so much.

[irukandji]

Yes but she’s done more to him than he has her, Nick wasn’t involved in her mothers death, Nick refused to kill Juliette while she admits she would have killed him. Nick never destroyed her family history, Juliette decided to help Nick get his Grimm back no one forced her.

Nick didn't destroy her family history, that's true. However, he destroyed her. The decision to get his grimm back always rested with Nick, not Juliette. She was merely an ingredient in the spell, and she agreed to that.

[syscrash]

There is more then one solution to a problem. The most simple would have been to leave with Juliette and work out the reason for the anger. Nick and Juliette could then also work out why being mad at Adalind should not be taken out on the child. Just like Juliette came to that realization about Diana. This idea about Juliette doing something to Adalind would go against her court case, make no sense. seeing as Juliette would not physically touch her. Exactly what would someone say in court. Juliette broke Adalind's arm from across the room. That is the same problem with the bar incident. How could any explain how someone as small as Juliette could throw someone across the room.

I have been trying to figure out why people want Juliette to be a villain. WAs she angry. Yes she was very angry. Did she burn the trailer, yes and that was wrong. It was also a crime. But as for the rest. All the accusations of Juliette planing to kill kelly and the neighbors all use assumptions to try and prove the point. You can not quote one line where she planned to kill the neighbors and kelly. The dialog only states she helped plan to get Diana from Kelly for the Royals. You find just one line where Juliette says she plans to kill. And I will be happy to agree with your assumptions. Sure she is all powerful. But her not intervening does not mean she agreed with Kenneth's actions. It just means she choose not to be a hero. The same would be true if you and your friends planned to rob a liquor store. They ended up shooting up the place. You did not kill the clerk if you did not try and stop them. Even if you all had guns when you walked into the place. Does not mean you planned or had the intent on killing anyone. But based on the analogies I keep reading. Because Kenneth and his men had guns, it is a fore gone conclusion that Juliette had intended on killing everyone. Even in the scenario I created cooperation would lead to you being charged with the robbery but not the murder. There are many real life cases to back up that reality.

The idea that I am trying to exonerate Juliette is a misguided assumption. Like I said burning the trailer, not a good thing. Her actions at the spice shop again not a good thing. Yes she should not have thrown Rosalee, that was an excessive reaction. but then Nick and Hank pulling their guns was even worse. Like it is said never pull a gun you have no intention of using. She was unarmed. How would they have explained why the shot her. This again another situation where when Juliette said no they should have left it at that instead of escalating the situation. Why do people think Nick and the group have the right to force their wishes on someone else. Because someone may figure it would help the other person. That still does not give them the right to try and make them. But that is people entire argument, that they where trying to help Juliette. For one the suppression would not have help the situation. The only help would have been a cure and that was not or was there a cure.

As for Kelly and the Neighbors. Juliette may have made the final actions possible. That does not mean she planned the final out come. Plus none of that would have been possible if Adalind had told Nick what Kenneth was planning. Adalind knew more about what Kenneth was planning then Juliette did. Adalind had seen the level of violence Kenneth was capable of. Juliette had not seen or heard of a single act of violence perpetrated by Kenneth.

My entire argument is the imbalance of demonizing Juliette while exonerating Adalind. The entire situation is the fault Adalind and Juliette. Everything Juliette did was only possible by Adalinds previous action. Had Adalind not attacked Juliette to punish Nick, Juliette would have never had anger towards Adalind. If Adalind had not poisned Hank Nick would have never taken her powers. If Adalind had not taken Nick powers Juliette would have never became a hexenbiest. Had Adadlind not told the Royals the Kelly had Diana, the Royals would have never went after Kelly. If Adalind had not sleep with Nick she would not have had his kid, causing Juliette to be mad enough to burn the trailer. That is not to say that Juliette is not responsible for her actions. But if you are going to chastise Juliette for what she did. You also have to look at why and how she got there.

The other thing that I have a problem with is. Because Adalind has Nick son and said she was sorry, she is seen as redeemed. Eve saves their lives, risk death yet she is still seen as the worst villain an nonredeemable. I am one that finds actions of contrition for more credible then words. What Eve did at the factory far out ways anything that Adalind could ever say.