12-21-2017, 11:16 AM
What Juliette knew is canon as Nick stated she set up his moms death.
12-21-2017, 11:16 AM
What Juliette knew is canon as Nick stated she set up his moms death.
12-21-2017, 11:22 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-21-2017, 11:34 AM by Henry of green.)
I always have said she set up the murder I have never claimed she murderd Kelly. Juliette did a lot more than a email she give Kenneth advice and fooled Kelly into entering the house, that is setting up murder and all canon. The email Juliette sent Kelly said the house is safe, when infact the house was a death trap that's directly missleading Kelly into thinking the house is a safe place.
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one because I never saw Juliette or Kenneth verbally confirm that the email was sent strictly get Kelly to the house so she could be murdered. No one knew what Kelly was going to do once that email was sent or for that matter, who she might show up with.
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12-21-2017, 12:28 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-21-2017, 12:28 PM by Henry of green.)
Kenneth said differently, the first words he said to Juliette when he came into the house with Kelly's blood on him was we got her meaning Kelly, then he sees Juliette with Diania and says we've got her meaning Diania. So that implies they weee always after Kelly as well.
12-21-2017, 12:32 PM
Hello Forum,
The thread: http://grimmforum.com/forum/Thread-What-...ath?page=1 has been returned for discussion. I posted there several times, starting with #4. There are now 462 posts. Many of you have presented factual evidence about this issue. The scenes of Juliette from her first meeting Kenneth (Prince Kenneth Alun Goderich Bowes-Lyon) through her being killed by Trubel provide the evidence of what actually occurred. We likely all agree that Kenneth never stated on screen that he would kill Kelly. There are however many scenes that would reasonably indicate his intentions. Those scenes have been presented on the Forum as evidence to support that she "knew" a lot. Recall these scenes from, 4.16, "Iron Hans": Quote:Scene: Kenneth talks with the King on the phone.then: Quote:Scene: Juliette lies in her cell, watching a bug walk across the wall.and Quote:Scene: Juliette leaves the police station.In the first scene Kenneth tells Adalind that Juliette will want to kill her. How did he know that? He knows Juliette will perpetrate a betrayal. And he knows Nick is the father of the fetus in Adalind. All that without yet even meeting Juliette. In the second scene Juliette does not know who paid her bail. The third scene is the first time Juliette and Kenneth meet. How does she know he paid her bail? No one told her. Yet, with all the ensuing scenes including the scene where Juliette provides Kenneth detailed information in the hotel room while the Verrat load their guns she didn't know what they were going to do. Nick knew she was a liar and blamed her for Kelly's death. That is why he told the Scoobies to "kill her." Here is the scene from 4.22, "Cry Havoc": Quote:Scene: Nick arrives home and goes inside where Juliette is waiting.Regardless if you believe she knew nothing about Kenneth's intentions or that she knew every detail her betrayal of Kelly is irrefutable fact. She materially participated in the crime. Her betrayal was fundamental to executing the crime. Kenneth made that clear when he introduced her to King Frederick: Quote:Kenneth: May I present Miss Juliette Silverton, without whose help this would not have been possible. Juliette, this is King Frederick Von—As I stated in post #139: Quote:We all saw those scenes. They provide factual and conclusive evidence that Juliette was both an accessory and accomplice in the murders. She was not just "involved" but was as guilty as King Frederick, Kenneth and the Verrat thugs.I also am not an attorney. It seems a majority of Forum members believe Juliette is guilty of murder. She clearly meets the definitions of both an accessory and accomplice. You may find this article helpful: https://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=35892 Only a few of the perpetrators on Grimm faced a criminal trial. Due to the heinous manner in which Kelly was killed, Juliette could have been found guilty of aggravated homicide. Including the neighbors would increase the penalty. Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah, N G
12-21-2017, 12:39 PM
(12-21-2017, 12:28 PM)Henry of green Wrote: Kenneth said differently, the first words he said to Juliette when he came into the house with Kelly's blood on him was we got her meaning Kelly, then he sees Juliette with Diania and says we've got her meaning Diania. So that implies they weee always after Kelly as well. This seems to confirm just the opposite, in my opinion. Why would Kenneth need to confirm to Juliette that "they murdered Kelly" if that was the plan all along?
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12-21-2017, 12:52 PM
(12-21-2017, 11:22 AM)Henry of green Wrote: I always have said she set up the murder I have never claimed she murderd Kelly. Juliette did a lot more than a email she give Kenneth advice and fooled Kelly into entering the house, that is setting up murder and all canon. The email Juliette sent Kelly said the house is safe, when infact the house was a death trap that's directly missleading Kelly into thinking the house is a safe place. Henry, here in some states that’s called "Aiding and Abetting" or other versions of indirectly assisting in a murder. Most civilized countries, they have similar laws. See how your argument is going from evidence to prove to the viewer that she was guilty to what is admissible as trial evidence?
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(12-21-2017, 12:52 PM)dicappatore Wrote:(12-21-2017, 11:22 AM)Henry of green Wrote: I always have said she set up the murder I have never claimed she murderd Kelly. Juliette did a lot more than a email she give Kenneth advice and fooled Kelly into entering the house, that is setting up murder and all canon. The email Juliette sent Kelly said the house is safe, when infact the house was a death trap that's directly missleading Kelly into thinking the house is a safe place. The one consistent thing about your posts is that you treat everyone the same.....like they are imbeciles who just don't understand the way you do. Way to go.
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12-21-2017, 01:00 PM
(12-21-2017, 12:28 PM)Henry of green Wrote: Kenneth said differently, the first words he said to Juliette when he came into the house with Kelly's blood on him was we got her meaning Kelly, then he sees Juliette with Diania and says we've got her meaning Diania. So that implies they weee always after Kelly as well. Yep, I recall that scene how he was so giddy on their accomplishment. To me he looked surprised that they were so successful. Talk about patting eachother on the shoulders for a job well done by all. If he wasn’t European, he probably would have exclaimed, “We are going to Disney World”, after boxing Kelly’s head.
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