@Syscrash
Nick wasn't in control when in his zombie state. Juliette was in full control, she just didn't care that her behavior was destructive and told them so.
You're underplaying Juliette's actions at the spice shop. She was capable of killing them with just a thought, but that wasn't what Juliette was doing. She hyped the tension by forcibly training Nick's gun on Monroe with Nick's hand on the trigger. Nick couldn't stop his actions because Juliette's wanted to show them her powers and how little they now mattered to her and the fact that she had Nick pull the trigger shows her intention clearly. Monroe wasn't shot that night, not because of Juliette. Hank saved Monroe that night by basically tackling hm out of the gun fire. There's no other way around it. Her hesitancy that night wasn't out of some innate compulsion not to hurt them. She was taunting and trying to destroy Nick by making him shoot his best friend and Rosalee by making her watch her husband get shot. It's like how some criminals just kill their victims when robbing them vs others who play with their victims to hype their fear before actually killing them because they thrive on the fear. Juliette was behaving more like the latter than the former, getting drunk on the power. She was in a position of power and wanted Nick and the gang to never forget it.
Pulling their guns may have exacerbated the situation but Juliette acted in violence first in flinging Rosalee across the room. She made the first move and they did the only thing available to them, as they are trained to do when dealing with criminals or people threatening other individuals for whatever reason. What Juliette did to Rosalee is tantamount to an assault, as cops, they did what came naturally in the situation.
Juliette did horrible things because Nick was struggling with accepting their new reality in record time (which is hypocritical since she had been struggling for several weeks before confessing to him and experienced some self-hatred) but I just don't get how Nick's struggle is somehow the worst thing to ever happen to Juliette. He hadn't truly abandoned her but Nick is somehow a villain in the face of Juliette's deplorable actions while she's his victim even though she was literally burning down everything around her in misplaced anger and seething resentment over her transformation. Her destructive anger is belittled when held up against Nick trying to do what she knows he's always done in the six plus years she's been with him and that was to fix things. I don't see how an assumption of what never even happened (Nick forcing the suppressant down Juliette's throat) is somehow worse than what Juliette actually did do, as shown on screen.
If Juliette was so offended by what Nick didn't/coulda/woulda done, she should have walked away from him, cut her loses and begin on a clean slate away from Nick and his friends instead of setting about to make Nick suffer for things he never did, at least things that warranted the kind of destruction on his life and that of other innocent bystanders caught in her crossfire.
The reality of Nick/scoobies actions in S4 pales during in comparison to the havoc reaped by Juliette.
Nick wasn't in control when in his zombie state. Juliette was in full control, she just didn't care that her behavior was destructive and told them so.
You're underplaying Juliette's actions at the spice shop. She was capable of killing them with just a thought, but that wasn't what Juliette was doing. She hyped the tension by forcibly training Nick's gun on Monroe with Nick's hand on the trigger. Nick couldn't stop his actions because Juliette's wanted to show them her powers and how little they now mattered to her and the fact that she had Nick pull the trigger shows her intention clearly. Monroe wasn't shot that night, not because of Juliette. Hank saved Monroe that night by basically tackling hm out of the gun fire. There's no other way around it. Her hesitancy that night wasn't out of some innate compulsion not to hurt them. She was taunting and trying to destroy Nick by making him shoot his best friend and Rosalee by making her watch her husband get shot. It's like how some criminals just kill their victims when robbing them vs others who play with their victims to hype their fear before actually killing them because they thrive on the fear. Juliette was behaving more like the latter than the former, getting drunk on the power. She was in a position of power and wanted Nick and the gang to never forget it.
Pulling their guns may have exacerbated the situation but Juliette acted in violence first in flinging Rosalee across the room. She made the first move and they did the only thing available to them, as they are trained to do when dealing with criminals or people threatening other individuals for whatever reason. What Juliette did to Rosalee is tantamount to an assault, as cops, they did what came naturally in the situation.
Juliette did horrible things because Nick was struggling with accepting their new reality in record time (which is hypocritical since she had been struggling for several weeks before confessing to him and experienced some self-hatred) but I just don't get how Nick's struggle is somehow the worst thing to ever happen to Juliette. He hadn't truly abandoned her but Nick is somehow a villain in the face of Juliette's deplorable actions while she's his victim even though she was literally burning down everything around her in misplaced anger and seething resentment over her transformation. Her destructive anger is belittled when held up against Nick trying to do what she knows he's always done in the six plus years she's been with him and that was to fix things. I don't see how an assumption of what never even happened (Nick forcing the suppressant down Juliette's throat) is somehow worse than what Juliette actually did do, as shown on screen.
If Juliette was so offended by what Nick didn't/coulda/woulda done, she should have walked away from him, cut her loses and begin on a clean slate away from Nick and his friends instead of setting about to make Nick suffer for things he never did, at least things that warranted the kind of destruction on his life and that of other innocent bystanders caught in her crossfire.
The reality of Nick/scoobies actions in S4 pales during in comparison to the havoc reaped by Juliette.