08-04-2018, 04:33 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-04-2018, 05:09 PM by Henry of green.)
(08-04-2018, 09:00 AM)Hell Rell Wrote:(08-04-2018, 12:14 AM)irukandji Wrote: Let me put it this way then. Adalind wasn't trying to "pick up" Nick at his house. She didn't convince him she was rich and important, nor did she deceive him by putting on a lot of make up or enhancements to make her look better.
She broke into his house to violate him and take away his grimm powers. She changed herself into Juliette to do so and not once did she reveal herself as Adalind to him.
Wearing makeup, telling tall tales, using "enhancements" are not deceptions aimed at an end result of rape. Women and men go to bars for different reasons. I don't see how your example compares to what Adalind did. Her reactions are not typical of someone going to a bar and in my opinion, should not be compared to that type of activity.
I agree with you that these examples aren't really comparable. We all saw what happened. The methods Adalind used undoubtedly make this rape. We know why Adalind did it and it wasn't for a bad reason but the way she went about it still makes this a clear-cut rape.
The two easiest ways to identify rape is when someone has sex against their will and when someone can't give consent to the person they're having sex with at the time. This is most definitely the latter.
I'll stop here because know some posters have to be tired of the talk about sexual assault but it touches a nerve whenever this subject is brought up and there are some many denials. I've seen it happen way too often.
(08-04-2018, 07:00 AM)dicappatore Wrote:(08-04-2018, 06:47 AM)brandon Wrote: Juliette had the DNA test done to the supposed animal that attacked the horses.
Those hairs were from a Wesen in "Woge",that a serious part of an ape and another human.A mixture of two different species,a chimera, which was strange because there are usually such things.
A dog with wolf genes would be normal but this would be very weird
You point out an interesting piece of factual scene. To me, this had less to do than Juliette trying to prove the existing possibility of some type of unknown hybrid and more to do with her mistrust of Nick.
With her knowing this fact of this DNA inconsistency. You would expect for her to at least lend Nick an ear, later on in the show, when he was trying to open her up to his Wesen world. Instead, her superlative higher educated attitude just dismissed him as a lower educated insignificant other.
Hey, how's that for "writer's intent"?
That's quite the spin. How did you get to that conclusion? Juliette saw that there was DNA from two different species. That's a fact. I don't really see how this was used to show her mistrust of Nick. She didn't know he was a Grimm or about wesen and she did go to med school. Her higher education did matter in this case.
You are entitled to see it as full on Rape if you wish but I didn’t see what Adalind did to Nick as Rape. I saw it as desperate women being forced into sleeping with Nick to take his powers to get to see her kidnapped child again.
It was deeply wrong Yes Nick was tricked into consent by Adalind which I would class as a form sexual assault but still no one forced Nick to have sex or clouded his ability to give consent with drugs so I wouldn’t put it on the same level as full on rape.
However I agree fully Adalind raped Hank beacuse she took away his ability to say no by giving him the love spell, Nick on the other hand had the ability to say no so for me it’s different than Hank and Adalind.
Also your previous example of comparing what Jamie did to Cersei to what Adalind did to Nick is a pretty weak one considering no one was forcing Jamie to assault Cersei. Adalind on the other hand was being blackmailed by Viktor, yes Viktor knew excatly what Adalind had to do to get Nicks powers back as one of his first comments he made to her in season 4 was asking what it was like to shag a grimm and she responded I did what I had to to see my daughter I didn’t enjoy it. To put them on the same level of being as equally morally wrong is just plain wrong in my opinion.