Quote:Adeline had given birth and been on the run since a few hours after delivery. When she got on the plane Kelly asked if she had slept
it was days after delivery. There was time for ADalind to sleep. Remember Diana wraping the hair around Meisners hand while Diana sleep. Meisner called Sean when Adalind delivered. Sean needed time to setup and exit.
Quote: Fatal flaw, Kelly kept in touch with Nick, exposing herself to discovery. If she had kept off the grid, Diana would never have bee a plot line,
Kelly keeping in contact with Nick is what more than likely save all of their lives. Once the Royals figured out Kelly had Diana. They already said they would kill them all till they produced Diana. They told Viktor they did not know where Kelly was. Viktor told Sean your are a police captain find her. Do you really think they would not have killed everyone if Kelly had not brought Diana to Portland.Do you really think it would have matter if Nick really did not have a way of contacting Kelly.
Sure this is specullation on what they would have done. But it is speculation based on what they had previously done. Take Viktor The Verat leader failed he died. Sean's investigator did not know where Kelly was he died. If that does not indicate the royals intention. How about the fact that Kenneth actually did kill to get Diana.
07-27-2016, 12:54 PM (This post was last modified: 07-27-2016, 01:01 PM by jsgrimm45.)
(07-27-2016, 11:07 AM)irukandji Wrote:
(07-27-2016, 10:08 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: So Kelly must somehow connected to Diana at that time iMO better than Adalind.
It doesn't matter if Diana completely freaked everytime Adalind picked her up. Kelly had no right to the baby.
I just misread one of your posts here I think you may have misread mine, nowhere in my post did I say Kelly had a right. You know I see the series as pure fantasy so the story went that way. This was how I seen the writer's setting up the storyline on how Diana at the time may have felt safer with Kelly.
(07-27-2016, 11:39 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: Yes, it didn't matter whether Diana bonded either Kelly, the point is Kelly was wrong for taking Diana away from Adalind, they all were.
The writers need a way to make Adalind go to Viktor. I view Grimm as pure fantasy so I only look at the series as fantasy not right or wrong.
By taking Diana was the setup for Adalind go to Viktor setup Nick Grimm lose and Juliette become Eve in season 5 what the writers wanted to happen.
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I just misread one of your posts here I think you may have misread mine, nowhere in my post did I say Kelly had a right. You know I see the series as pure fantasy so the story went that way. This was how I seen the writer's setting up the storyline on how Diana at the time may have felt safer with Kelly.
I think you may have misread my post, js. I wasn't saying you said Kelly had a right to take Diana. All I was saying is it didn't matter if Diana gravitated toward her or not. Kelly had no right to kidnap her.
The best way to frustrate a cyberbully is to ignore him.
Quote:Yes, it didn't matter whether Diana bonded either Kelly, the point is Kelly was wrong for taking Diana away from Adalind, they all were.
There have been a few posters that voice this same sentiment about Diana and Adalind, but not about Nick and Kelly.
Why is it wrong to take Diana from Adalind. But it is Ok to take Kelly from Nick. In Diana's case Adalind would not have been able to provide any protection plus she had no backup. In Kelly's case Nick could have attempted to provide protection plus he had a team for backup.
But it has always amazed me how people argue the group should not have taken Diana from Adalind. Yet not one post has suggested how Adalind would have keep them from being killed. Either the posters do not remember Viktor said Diana or die. Or they do not believe he would do it. Even though Viktor has already killed to get Diana.
Dear Syscrash, I have no doubt that the royals were ruthless and would have killed as many as needed. I am saying Kelly and Diana would have been safe. As far Adeline needing rest, my experience is that new mothers giving birth without pain killers are worn out and need a lot of rest. One nap followed by a forced march through the woods would be tiring. Portland was not planned, and everything that followed was done on the fly. I do not condone kidnapping, but I can as the logic of the plan.
07-27-2016, 03:00 PM (This post was last modified: 07-27-2016, 05:50 PM by Robyn.)
(07-27-2016, 02:04 PM)syscrash Wrote: There have been a few posters that voice this same sentiment about Diana and Adalind, but not about Nick and Kelly.
Why is it wrong to take Diana from Adalind. But it is Ok to take Kelly from Nick. In Diana's case Adalind would not have been able to provide any protection plus she had no backup. In Kelly's case Nick could have attempted to provide protection plus he had a team for backup.
But it has always amazed me how people argue the group should not have taken Diana from Adalind. Yet not one post has suggested how Adalind would have keep them from being killed. Either the posters do not remember Viktor said Diana or die. Or they do not believe he would do it. Even though Viktor has already killed to get Diana.
I don’t dismiss Nick’s suffering over losing his son. But I also don’t dismiss that Nick, unlike Adalind, had recourse and a loyal support group.
Adalind told Nick that Renard knew the Resistance had Diana and would use her for personal gain - Nick did nothing. HW told Nick BC had taken Diana which would compromise Adalind and his son - Nick did nothing.
Had Nick taken Adalind and Kelly to the HW compound and told Meisner or Eve that Renard knew where Diana was being held then Nick would have at least been proactive in keeping them safe and possibly prevented BC taking Diana. In hindsight we know Barbee’s dream house is as secure as the HW compound, but at the time it would have been completely reasonable for Nick to believe the HW compound was the most secure location in Portland.
It’s not that Nick failed when trying to keep his son safe, it’s that Nick didn’t even try. In comparison, Adalind didn’t tell Renard & Meisner she would wait to see if Viktor actually did anything. She left with Meisner and stayed on the run until Kelly brought her to Portland. And when Kelly ignored her insistence that she didn’t want to go to Nick’s house, she fled at the first opportunity. Adalind failed to keep her and Diana safe, but the point is she was proactive as much as her resources allowed, which were zilch compared to Nick's.
"If my devils are to leave me, I am afraid my angels will take flight as well." Rainer Maria Rilke
I also see Nick as not being proactive. But then Nick has never been proactive. He always waits till after a problem then tries to solve it. This is the guy who finds a dead manticor on the floor and the excuse "he missed" seems perfectly reasonable to him. Even at HW when Eve tells him Adanlind may not have a choice. His response "I will not lose my son". ADalind is not much better. So goes through the emotional moment of how she can not take Kelly from Nick. Get a call then leaves. The show does not give the characters forethought.