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I believe 4.14 “Bad Luck” is the turning point for Nick and Juliette. I’ll use NBC’s recaps with underline added. The episode begins:
The Grimm Wikia transcript reads (Underline added):
Note that Juliette “proves” it is her by recounting his proposal and the ring.
Nick feels betrayed that Juliette did not come to him first. Instead she went to Renard, who IMO did much to destroy Nick and Juliette’s relationship.
Nick feels guilty that Juliette became a hexenbiest. Yet three times says “we.” We took a chance, knew possible side effects and both of them wanted Nick to re-Grimm.
Nick blew it when he walked out. She needed him and any real man would have known it.
Later in the episode, Nick and Juliette have another discussion.
The NBC recap, (Underline added):
The Grimm Wikia transcript reads (Underline added):
IMO, When Nick returned Juliette had a long time to think about their relationship and has decided it is over. He tells her he is not “giving up,” he won’t let it “destroy what they have,” and he will “learn how to understand her.” She believes that she will “forever” be a hideous hexenbiest. Her demand that he kiss her as a woged, corpse-faced hexenbiest is unreasonable.
IMO, they both reacted poorly to the hexenbiest side effect. At the end of the episode their relationship was wrecked. Hexenette could have just moved out. learned to control her biest and built up her veterinary practice. But instead she became the vulgar, violent, immoral nemesis of Nick. Many fans celebrated her death.
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I believe 4.14 “Bad Luck” is the turning point for Nick and Juliette. I’ll use NBC’s recaps with underline added. The episode begins:
Quote:When Nick sees Juliette woge, he assumes Adalind is trying to trick him and pulls his gun. But Juliette proves it's really her by recounting Nick's proposal, something only she would know, and begins to explain how this happened. It began innocently enough with feelings of nausea, but then the woges started. They even helped her kill her attacker at the tribunal and the Manticore. When Nick asks why she didn't immediately tell him, Juliette says she was scared he'd kill her (and him pulling a gun on her kind of proves her right). Nick, overcome with guilt that his becoming a Grimm again is at fault for Juliette's transformation, vows to find a way to reverse it, but Juliette's not done disclosing secrets. She admits she turned to Captain Renard first for help and fills Nick in on her meetings with Henrietta, including her belief that Juliette's condition is permanent.Feeling shocked, and probably betrayed, Nick walks out.
The Grimm Wikia transcript reads (Underline added):
Quote:Scene: Nick takes his gun out and points it at Juliette after seeing her woge.
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Nick: You're not Juliette. You're Adalind. What did you do with her?
Juliette: [She retracts] Nick, it's me.
Nick: I don't believe you.
Juliette: Listen, you you proposed to me on this couch. You had a ring. I said no. You hid it upstairs in the dresser drawer. I found it. Adalind would never know that.
Nick: [He points his gun down] How did this happen?
Juliette: I don't know. I didn't know what was happening at first. I was really nauseous. I thought I was pregnant. I had headaches. And then it just happened. And it's been happening more and more. It's how I killed the guy from the tribunal. [Flashback of the back of Jonah Riken's head exploding in "Tribunal"] And the Manticore. [Flashback of Juliette killing Jonathon Wilde in "Maréchaussée"] And how I almost just killed Adalind.
Nick: Why didn't you tell me?
Juliette: Because I was scared.
Nick: [He puts his gun away] Look... we're gonna figure this out, and get rid of it.
Juliette: We can't.
Nick: Why not?
Juliette: It's permanent.
Nick: You don't know that.
Juliette: I do. Henrietta told me.
Nick: Who's Henrietta?
Juliette: The Hexenbiest who's been helping me figure this out.
Nick: You've been seeing a Hexenbiest?
Juliette: I had to. I didn't want to hurt you.
Nick: Well, how did you find Henrietta?
Juliette: Sean Renard.
Nick: You told him before you told me?
Juliette: I needed help, Nick. His mom's a Hexenbiest. He's half Zauberbiest.
Nick: You should have told me.
Juliette: [Crying] I was afraid you were gonna kill me.
Nick: Juliette, I would never hurt you. Never. This is all because of me. This is... because I became a Grimm again.
Juliette: Well, we took a chance, you know? We knew that there might be side effects. It's what we wanted.
Nick: Juliette, I am so sorry. [He opens the front door]
Juliette: Nick, where are you going?
Nick: I don't know. [He leaves]
Note that Juliette “proves” it is her by recounting his proposal and the ring.
Nick feels betrayed that Juliette did not come to him first. Instead she went to Renard, who IMO did much to destroy Nick and Juliette’s relationship.
Nick feels guilty that Juliette became a hexenbiest. Yet three times says “we.” We took a chance, knew possible side effects and both of them wanted Nick to re-Grimm.
Nick blew it when he walked out. She needed him and any real man would have known it.
Later in the episode, Nick and Juliette have another discussion.
The NBC recap, (Underline added):
Quote:When Nick finally gets home, he tells Juliette that he spoke with Henrietta but he's not giving up. Juliette, however, isn't interested in what Nick has to say. She knows they can never go back to the way it was. When Nick protests, Juliette woges and asks Nick to kiss her. His inability to even look at her proves Juliette right.
The Grimm Wikia transcript reads (Underline added):
Quote:Scene: Nick arrives home.
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Nick: Juliette? I talked to Henrietta. I'm not giving up. We're gonna get through this.
Juliette: You can't change it.
Nick: I'm not gonna let it destroy what we have.
Juliette: I see the way you're looking at me.
Nick: Juliette...
Juliette: It's not the same. It'll never be the same.
Nick: You learned to understand me, now I have to learn how to understand you.
Juliette: [She walks up to Nick] Is that forever?
Nick: I'm not going anywhere.
Juliette: [She woges and Nick turns his head] Is this what you want to spend the rest of your life with? Is it?
Nick: Why are you doing this?
Juliette: If I'm the girl of your dreams, the least you could do is kiss me. Kiss me. You can't even look at me. This is what's forever. [She retracts and leaves]
IMO, When Nick returned Juliette had a long time to think about their relationship and has decided it is over. He tells her he is not “giving up,” he won’t let it “destroy what they have,” and he will “learn how to understand her.” She believes that she will “forever” be a hideous hexenbiest. Her demand that he kiss her as a woged, corpse-faced hexenbiest is unreasonable.
IMO, they both reacted poorly to the hexenbiest side effect. At the end of the episode their relationship was wrecked. Hexenette could have just moved out. learned to control her biest and built up her veterinary practice. But instead she became the vulgar, violent, immoral nemesis of Nick. Many fans celebrated her death.
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