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RE: Hexenbiestdom - Hell Rell - 08-12-2018
(08-12-2018, 12:00 PM)irukandji Wrote: Of course there is also a third alternative. The pregnancy didn't take 40 weeks. There have been discussions that the baby Adalind was carrying was not Nick's. Adalind could have been pregnant before she ever slept with Nick. In which case, it wouldn't matter if the potion made her look like Juliette or if she became a clone. Once she reverted back, she'd still be carrying her baby.
And those discussions were already debunked long ago. By posters here and more importantly by the show itself.
RE: Hexenbiestdom - irukandji - 08-12-2018
(08-12-2018, 12:24 PM)Hell Rell Wrote:(08-12-2018, 12:00 PM)irukandji Wrote: Of course there is also a third alternative. The pregnancy didn't take 40 weeks. There have been discussions that the baby Adalind was carrying was not Nick's. Adalind could have been pregnant before she ever slept with Nick. In which case, it wouldn't matter if the potion made her look like Juliette or if she became a clone. Once she reverted back, she'd still be carrying her baby.
And those discussions were already debunked long ago. By posters here and more importantly by the show itself.
I seem to recall a discussion not so long ago speculating why Nick didn't have a paternity test done.
RE: Hexenbiestdom - Hell Rell - 08-12-2018
(08-12-2018, 01:04 PM)irukandji Wrote:(08-12-2018, 12:24 PM)Hell Rell Wrote:(08-12-2018, 12:00 PM)irukandji Wrote: Of course there is also a third alternative. The pregnancy didn't take 40 weeks. There have been discussions that the baby Adalind was carrying was not Nick's. Adalind could have been pregnant before she ever slept with Nick. In which case, it wouldn't matter if the potion made her look like Juliette or if she became a clone. Once she reverted back, she'd still be carrying her baby.
And those discussions were already debunked long ago. By posters here and more importantly by the show itself.
I seem to recall a discussion not so long ago speculating why Nick didn't have a paternity test done.
That was about Nick trusting Adalind's word right off the bat. It wasn't about the narrative of Kelly being Nick's son. Something that was never questioned on the show itself. There's no confusion here.
You'd have a better case with the question of Renard really being the father of Diana. Although, the narrative states that he is her father.
RE: Hexenbiestdom - irukandji - 08-12-2018
(08-12-2018, 01:08 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: That was about Nick trusting Adalind's word right off the bat. It wasn't about the narrative of Kelly being Nick's son. Something that was never questioned on the show itself. There's no confusion here.
No, it wasn't about Nick trusting Adalind's word right off the bat. The discussions centered around who was the father of her baby and that Nick should have demanded a paternity test.
RE: Hexenbiestdom - FaceInTheCrowd - 08-12-2018
(08-12-2018, 12:00 PM)irukandji Wrote: If all of this is guesswork, then your guess is no better or worse than mine. You were the one who questioned if the potion simply made the person look like the subject or if it turned the subject's body into an actual working copy.
I raised the question in relation to whether your body in the form of another might have the same reactions and reflexes as that person. An example that argues in favor of that is Nick being able to woge while he was dopplegangering Renard. OTOH, everyone who uses that potion retains their own mind and personality, so the conversion is certainly less than total and absolute.
OTOH, we see multiple instances of people using the potion and only their bodies are affected. Things that are not part of their bodies, such as clothes, are never affected.
And yes, none of this speculation excludes the possibility that Adalind had sex with someone else before dopplegangering Juliette and then forgot all about it (because she really had no reason to lie when she told Henrietta that she hadn't been with anyone just before she realized she'd been with Nick).
RE: Hexenbiestdom - irukandji - 08-12-2018
(08-12-2018, 02:13 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: And yes, none of this speculation excludes the possibility that Adalind had sex with someone else before dopplegangering Juliette and then forgot all about it (because she really had no reason to lie when she told Henrietta that she hadn't been with anyone just before she realized she'd been with Nick).
That really doesn't do anything to resolve the paternity issue with Nick though, does it?
Aside from that, if Adalind has no reason to lie to Henrietta, why wouldn't she have reason to believe Henrietta when Henrietta told her she was going to have a baby?
(08-12-2018, 11:36 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: Adalind did exist. Nick's little swimmers were always in Adalind. She she didn't actually swap bodies with Juliette. She used a potion to make her look and probably feel like her.
After all, her mind along with her intelligence and memories weren't affected at all.
Who said she swapped bodies with Juliette? I said she morphed into Juliette's clone via magic spell. Adalind no longer existed in physical form. If that is so difficult to believe, why then would viewers believe a hexenbiest spirit can inhabit Adalind?
RE: Hexenbiestdom - FaceInTheCrowd - 08-12-2018
(08-12-2018, 02:34 PM)irukandji Wrote: That really doesn't do anything to resolve the paternity issue with Nick though, does it?
Aside from that, if Adalind has no reason to lie to Henrietta, why wouldn't she have reason to believe Henrietta when Henrietta told her she was going to have a baby?
Nobody on the show ever questioned the paternity of either of Adalind's babies, which always was a head scratcher for me.
The way they played the scene between Adalind and Henrietta, Adalind didn't believe she could be pregnant at first because she hadn't had sex with anyone since Diana. Then she remembered Nick. I would've thought she'd remember that, but maybe Nick was as clueless about women in bed as he was out of it.
RE: Hexenbiestdom - Hell Rell - 08-12-2018
(08-12-2018, 01:50 PM)irukandji Wrote:(08-12-2018, 01:08 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: That was about Nick trusting Adalind's word right off the bat. It wasn't about the narrative of Kelly being Nick's son. Something that was never questioned on the show itself. There's no confusion here.
No, it wasn't about Nick trusting Adalind's word right off the bat. The discussions centered around who was the father of her baby and that Nick should have demanded a paternity test.
That's not what Nick asking for a paternity test was about. I remember those conversations very well. We talked about Nick not asking for a paternity test being unbelievable from a character standpoint. It was never about the viewer not believing Adalind because they weren't supposed to believe her. We always knew Nick was the father. That doesn't mean Nick, a character in that universe with a tumultuous history with Adalind to say the least, should believe what we already know without seeing proof.
Remember that I also defended Juliette for not believing Nick at the end of season 1. We all know what Nick was saying was the truth but Juliette believing what he was saying without seeing it for her own eyes would've been ridiculous.
The question of Nick really being Kelly's father was something you and maybe a couple of other posters posed, those posters were notably big Nick/Juliette shippers, and nobody else. That conversation, which went on way too long, was unrelated to Nick asking for a paternity test.
RE: Hexenbiestdom - irukandji - 08-12-2018
(08-12-2018, 04:03 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: The question of Nick really being Kelly's father was something you and maybe a couple of other posters posed, those posters were notably big Nick/Juliette shippers, and nobody else. That conversation, which went on way too long, was unrelated to Nick asking for a paternity test.
A debate is a two way street, not just confined to a few posters. You know that. You've seen threads go on and on because everyone chimed in. You've also seen threads shut down because only a few posters participated. It was not just one thread where the paternity issue was brought up and it was not just a few posters. Everyone chimed in with different viewpoints, including you. The blame for the threads going on and on should be leveled at all involved, not incorrectly blamed on those you label as the big "Nick/Juliette" shippers.
As I recall, Adalind never stated to Henrietta that she slept with Nick. She said being pregnant was impossible as she hadn't been with anyone. Then, supposedly Adalind (who by the way, never forgets) suddenly experiences a reality check and cries out, "no, no, no!"
Cue the audience who is supposed to obviously assume, "uh-oh, Nick's the father".
Yet, when exactly is it that Adalind confirms at this point that Nick is the father? While she never denied that Nick was the father to Kenneth, she never admitted it either. She also blamed Viktor who the audience later finds out is sterile. Adalind never denied he was the father either.
Kenneth baited her by asking her "have you decided who the father of that one is?" She never told him, and Kenneth stated he knew it was Nick. I can only assume that was an educated guess since Adalind never admitted that to anyone at that point that Nick was indeed the father of her baby.
And if this was all so clear cut as you state, why then the back and forths? Indeed, why was it necessary for at least one poster to quote an interview with Claire where she stated in the interview that Nick was the father?
According to you this was a debunked long ago, even by the show itself. I don't see any of that because Adalind admitted to nothing until she visited Nick in the precinct.
RE: Hexenbiestdom - Hell Rell - 08-12-2018
Moving on, what does everyone think about Grimms and Hexenbiests fighting together? How would their skills complement each other in the most effective manner against any foe you can think of opposing them?
The final scene with Kelly and Diana made me wonder about how they would coordinate their attacks.