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What if...Nick and JuliEve's conversation - wesen - 09-15-2017
Based on what we know of the character of Nick, what if JuliEve had told Nick in the other world that she still did love him and wished to go back to the way things were, and that she was terribly lonely without him? How would Nick have reacted to that? Would his feelings of guilt over what happened to her cause him to abandon his life with Adalind? And would he have chosen to live in an alternate dimension with Juliette and their own children, seeing as the rod allowed him to fulfil his wishes in the end? This isn't a wish fulfilment/shipping scenario, more like if we were to stay true to Nick's character, how would he actually have taken in that declaration from Juliette? What would he have done?
RE: What if...Nick and JuliEve's conversation - jsgrimm45 - 09-15-2017
At this time Nick was in love with Adalind and his family. After Juliette set up his mom this end what they had in the past, now she had help him so they may have become friends, even with statement I don't see a close friendship.
RE: What if...Nick and JuliEve's conversation - dicappatore - 09-15-2017
(09-15-2017, 04:57 AM)wesen Wrote: Based on what we know of the character of Nick, what if JuliEve had told Nick in the other world that she still did love him and wished to go back to the way things were, and that she was terribly lonely without him? How would Nick have reacted to that? Would his feelings of guilt over what happened to her cause him to abandon his life with Adalind? And would he have chosen to live in an alternate dimension with Juliette and their own children, seeing as the rod allowed him to fulfil his wishes in the end? This isn't a wish fulfilment/shipping scenario, more like if we were to stay true to Nick's character, how would he actually have taken in that declaration from Juliette? What would he have done?
Nick might have not gotten over his guilt for his Grimm, being the cause for all that followed, to what happened to Juliette. But he got over her after what she did to him in season 4. It took a while, but Adalind’s embrace of the man he was, replaced what romantic feelings he had for Juliette. Just because he cared for her wellbeing and guilty for her predicaments doesn’t mean he still loved her romantically.
In the scene you described, IMO, showed a Juliette jumping to conclusions of his concerns for her safety to a conclusion that he wanted her back. What we saw was her affirmation of her moving on. What we don’t see is any affirmation that he is still “in love” with her. Is she did react as you concluded, would he abandon his son? He would have accepted her as Hex. He did so with Adalind. He might even have forgiven her for killing off some neighbors and his mother, but as we saw what happened in the police station after he finds out what was brewing in Adalind. His love for his child to be born made the love he had for Juliette take second place.
Once the baby was born and the emotional attachment grew, if there was any inkling left for his love for Juliette? That shut off any flicker left. Add the romantic growth with Adalind, Juliette would have remained as a friend/acquaintance.
RE: What if...Nick and JuliEve's conversation - rpmaluki - 09-15-2017
(09-15-2017, 05:45 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: At this time Nick was in love with Adalind and his family. After Juliette set up his mom this end what they had in the past, now she had help him so they may have become friends, even with statement I don't see a close friendship.The quick answer is no. He wouldn't leave his son or even Adalind for Juliette because over the course of the last two seasons, he fell out of love with her and in love with his family.
RE: What if...Nick and JuliEve's conversation - dicappatore - 09-15-2017
(09-15-2017, 06:14 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: The quick answer is no. He wouldn't leave his son or even Adalind for Juliette because over the course of the last two seasons, he fell out of love with her and in love with his family.
Gees rp, you take my great incite, craftily written elongated deductions and condense them in one sentence.
RE: What if...Nick and JuliEve's conversation - rpmaluki - 09-15-2017
(09-15-2017, 06:21 AM)dicappatore Wrote:I thought your post was well written and agreed with what you said and couldn't add anything more to it(09-15-2017, 06:14 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: The quick answer is no. He wouldn't leave his son or even Adalind for Juliette because over the course of the last two seasons, he fell out of love with her and in love with his family.
Gees rp, you take my great incite, craftily written elongated deductions and condense them in one sentence.
RE: What if...Nick and JuliEve's conversation - syscrash - 09-15-2017
I don't thank he would have weno back to Julieete but for a difference. Eve is nothing like Juliette or even Adalind is now. Even Bitsie admits she played the character as someone that does not need a man. So even if she still loved him. She did not need him. Nick needs to be needed.
Another thing the people don't consider. In the end Sean wen't back to being the Sean Adalind was in lover with in season one. Adalind being magical and having a daughter that is extremely magical. Sean would be much better at dealing with that then Nick. We saw that when Adalind told Nick about Diana's powers. He was both afraid and concerned. Sean on the other hand was the proud father that let Diana be who she is. He understood and accepted it.
I know some will say as parents Nick and ADalind would have to teach her not to use her abilities. Teach her what she did was wrong. The reality of the world the show is set in. She Diana is a hexenbiest and will need to know how to use her abilities. Just like Juliette found being around a Grimm it is a must to be armed. being around a Grimm their will be constant danger. Don't forget a hexenbiest with a grimm is going to create enemies on both sides. just like Rosalee and Monroe being together became a deadly union. Lets not forget Sean has and will encourage Diana to learn to use her abilities. IMO for Diana's protection knowing what she can do can and most likely save her life.
RE: What if...Nick and JuliEve's conversation - wesen - 09-15-2017
(09-15-2017, 08:42 PM)syscrash Wrote: I don't thank he would have weno back to Julieete but for a difference. Eve is nothing like Juliette or even Adalind is now. Even Bitsie admits she played the character as someone that does not need a man. So even if she still loved him. She did not need him. Nick needs to be needed.
Another thing the people don't consider. In the end Sean wen't back to being the Sean Adalind was in lover with in season one. Adalind being magical and having a daughter that is extremely magical. Sean would be much better at dealing with that then Nick. We saw that when Adalind told Nick about Diana's powers. He was both afraid and concerned. Sean on the other hand was the proud father that let Diana be who she is. He understood and accepted it.
I know some will say as parents Nick and ADalind would have to teach her not to use her abilities. Teach her what she did was wrong. The reality of the world the show is set in. She Diana is a hexenbiest and will need to know how to use her abilities. Just like Juliette found being around a Grimm it is a must to be armed. being around a Grimm their will be constant danger. Don't forget a hexenbiest with a grimm is going to create enemies on both sides. just like Rosalee and Monroe being together became a deadly union. Lets not forget Sean has and will encourage Diana to learn to use her abilities. IMO for Diana's protection knowing what she can do can and most likely save her life.
That's a good point. Nick does thrive on being needed, and being able to protect and rescue the people he cares about. He probably wouldn't mesh well with hexenbiest JuliEve. It would be like dating an older version of Truble. As for Diana, I don't believe she has to stop using her powers but she would definitely need to be taught how to control them. If she is encouraged to use them without restraint, then how would she develop empathy and humanity? She wouldnt be able to function in the normal world, because despite magic and wesen existing, only few humans are aware of them at all. Even Adalind realised this, because she learned how to control her hexenbiest side. Diana would end up like Juliette if she continues to use her powers without restraint.
RE: What if...Nick and JuliEve's conversation - rpmaluki - 09-15-2017
(09-15-2017, 10:10 PM)wesen Wrote:No truer words were ever spoken.(09-15-2017, 08:42 PM)syscrash Wrote: I don't thank he would have weno back to Julieete but for a difference. Eve is nothing like Juliette or even Adalind is now. Even Bitsie admits she played the character as someone that does not need a man. So even if she still loved him. She did not need him. Nick needs to be needed.
Another thing the people don't consider. In the end Sean wen't back to being the Sean Adalind was in lover with in season one. Adalind being magical and having a daughter that is extremely magical. Sean would be much better at dealing with that then Nick. We saw that when Adalind told Nick about Diana's powers. He was both afraid and concerned. Sean on the other hand was the proud father that let Diana be who she is. He understood and accepted it.
I know some will say as parents Nick and ADalind would have to teach her not to use her abilities. Teach her what she did was wrong. The reality of the world the show is set in. She Diana is a hexenbiest and will need to know how to use her abilities. Just like Juliette found being around a Grimm it is a must to be armed. being around a Grimm their will be constant danger. Don't forget a hexenbiest with a grimm is going to create enemies on both sides. just like Rosalee and Monroe being together became a deadly union. Lets not forget Sean has and will encourage Diana to learn to use her abilities. IMO for Diana's protection knowing what she can do can and most likely save her life.
That's a good point. Nick does thrive on being needed, and being able to protect and rescue the people he cares about. He probably wouldn't mesh well with hexenbiest JuliEve. It would be like dating an older version of Truble. As for Diana, I don't believe she has to stop using her powers but she would definitely need to be taught how to control them. If she is encouraged to use them without restraint, then how would she develop empathy and humanity? She wouldnt be able to function in the normal world, because despite magic and wesen existing, only few humans are aware of them at all. Even Adalind realised this, because she learned how to control her hexenbiest side. Diana would end up like Juliette if she continues to use her powers without restraint.
RE: What if...Nick and JuliEve's conversation - dicappatore - 09-16-2017
(09-15-2017, 10:13 PM)rpmaluki Wrote:(09-15-2017, 10:10 PM)wesen Wrote:No truer words were ever spoken.(09-15-2017, 08:42 PM)syscrash Wrote: I don't thank he would have weno back to Julieete but for a difference. Eve is nothing like Juliette or even Adalind is now. Even Bitsie admits she played the character as someone that does not need a man. So even if she still loved him. She did not need him. Nick needs to be needed.
Another thing the people don't consider. In the end Sean wen't back to being the Sean Adalind was in lover with in season one. Adalind being magical and having a daughter that is extremely magical. Sean would be much better at dealing with that then Nick. We saw that when Adalind told Nick about Diana's powers. He was both afraid and concerned. Sean on the other hand was the proud father that let Diana be who she is. He understood and accepted it.
I know some will say as parents Nick and ADalind would have to teach her not to use her abilities. Teach her what she did was wrong. The reality of the world the show is set in. She Diana is a hexenbiest and will need to know how to use her abilities. Just like Juliette found being around a Grimm it is a must to be armed. being around a Grimm their will be constant danger. Don't forget a hexenbiest with a grimm is going to create enemies on both sides. just like Rosalee and Monroe being together became a deadly union. Lets not forget Sean has and will encourage Diana to learn to use her abilities. IMO for Diana's protection knowing what she can do can and most likely save her life.
That's a good point. Nick does thrive on being needed, and being able to protect and rescue the people he cares about. He probably wouldn't mesh well with hexenbiest JuliEve. It would be like dating an older version of Truble. As for Diana, I don't believe she has to stop using her powers but she would definitely need to be taught how to control them. If she is encouraged to use them without restraint, then how would she develop empathy and humanity? She wouldnt be able to function in the normal world, because despite magic and wesen existing, only few humans are aware of them at all. Even Adalind realised this, because she learned how to control her hexenbiest side. Diana would end up like Juliette if she continues to use her powers without restraint.
The only thing I see in this argument is the relationship of a Grimm and a Hex is the fact that the only Hex that had a problem with a Grimm was Juliette. He had no problems with Elizabeth, Henrietta, Adalind 2.0 and lest not forget Sean. Nick was able to work with Sean for almost the whole series. A few times they even helped each other. Sean as a half male version of a Hex had his problems with Nick but it had nothing to do with Whom they were. They butted heads because Sean kept stealing his women.
Sean was never in love with Adalind. He used her to get to Nick for the Key. Diana was not a by-product of Sean/Adalind love. She was a result of Sean using Adalind to offset his obsession of Juliette after the coma kiss. He was using Adalind as he ran for mayor. He wanted to bed her not for love, it was for just being horny since Juliette was no longer the slut she was before Meisner turned her into Eve.
Why would Diana have a problem with a Grimm. She loved Mamma Kelly, she was a Grimm PLUS some. She was well adjusted when Diana was living under Nick’s roof. If Diana would have any issues with any of the gang it would be Juliette, another Hex. For having her hex hands in the death of Mamma Kelly.