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RE: Adalind & Nick vs Juliette & Nick Relationships - brandon - 06-15-2017
A already had enough action in his previous life , if she found the ideal babysitter would leave them under his care, and would support the man she loves. Being at home also could advise.
RE: Adalind & Nick vs Juliette & Nick Relationships - rpmaluki - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 08:31 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:I do think that Nick was the driving force behind almost everything that happened even if he wasn't as "proactive" as you like to say. I think Sean is possibly the only character that comes close to being independent of Nick's character when compared to the others. He's not completely free of Nick obviously but he's more so than Adalind, Juliette and the rest of the scoobies will ever be.(06-15-2017, 08:24 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: Nick is the lead character on the show. It doesn't matter if he's "passive" or everyone else around him does the most action or generates the most stories. The point is everyone, to varying degrees, revolves around him. It's not about cherry picking certain parts of the show where someone else looked like they were in the forefront because in the end it circles back to him in some form or another.So you agreeing that @irukandji Adalind & Nick vs Juliette & Nick Relationships were the same only because Nick is the lead? Is Rosalee's relationship to Nick the same too?
Juliette wasn't the lead, she was his victimised girlfriend turned to a scorned woman/villain because of him. It's in S5 that she's first independent of him but only superficially because as part of HW, she still had to work with him and wasn't completely free of Nick's shadow. And S6 is a meshing of too many ideas. In 6x11 she claims her independence again but as a combination of Juliette and Eve but her story still revolves around Nick.
I agree with @irukandji it doesn't matter which relationship you choose, it's Nick that's in the driver's seat, not because he's proactive or anything but because that's how it's written. Shows are typically written to cater to the lead more than to anyone else. They will have the other support cast feign independence from the lead but any real independence results in disappearing from the show permanently unless from the very get go the show is written as an ensemble cast like GoT or Westworld where you can have characters driving their own stories without ever interacting with the others.
Juliette/Eve has 3rd billing while Adalind is 8th billing is that not important either?
Nick's relationship with Juliette is nothing like his relationship with Adalind because of a number of things, Kelly, and the fact that Adalind found herself in a reduced state, recently confronted by her "badness" and wanting to change for the better. At the end of S5, she was not in a position to make demands of Nick about their relationship even after they sleep together. He had his secrets but then again she had her own. She basically reacts differently to Nick. He's not perfect and has the same individual problems he had with Juliette plus a few more that come with being in a relationship with the woman he used to hate but suddenly doesn't. It's impossible for both relationships to be the same.
The only connective tissue I see is that both women seem to suppress a part of themselves in order to be with him. Juliette did it with dire consequences and Adalind does it but because she also has issues, she accommodates him where Juliette couldn't. And because she's already been at her worst and suffered the consequences, she seems content to embrace this new mildly docile version of herself. She's no longer trying to make Nick's life very miserable, that may be what throws/turns people off.
RE: Adalind & Nick vs Juliette & Nick Relationships - jsgrimm45 - 06-15-2017
These relationships Adalind/Nick and Juliette/Nick were basic on one thing from the start of the series. Nick see his first woge and who is it Adalind. So from the first episode Nick and Adalind share common ground. Juliette from the get go was in the dark as to the Grimm world.
When Nick and Adalind have a son and Adalind tells Nick they can't go on the way they had been because of Kelly, at this time Nick thinks Juliette is dead. Nick has only one thing to hold on to Kelly so if he accepts Kelly he accepts Adalind word she will change and knows he must also.
RE: Adalind & Nick vs Juliette & Nick Relationships - rpmaluki - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 02:55 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: These relationships Adalind/Nick and Juliette/Nick were basic on one thing from the start of the series. Nick see his first woge and who is it Adalind. So from the first episode Nick and Adalind share common ground. Juliette from the get go was in the dark as to the Grimm world.I do love how they lived out Adalind's hope/wish and not being like they were for their son's sake. It was a very mature thing to do for the baby, making the necessary compromises for the baby. This was more than enough, more than what either expected and no romantic relationship was needed but things happen when your cooped up in small spaces and sharing a bed....
When Nick and Adalind have a son and Adalind tells Nick they can't go on the way they had been because of Kelly, at this time Nick thinks Juliette is dead. Nick has only one thing to hold on to Kelly so if he accepts Kelly he accepts Adalind word she will change and knows he must also.
RE: Adalind & Nick vs Juliette & Nick Relationships - irukandji - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 08:31 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(06-15-2017, 08:24 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: Nick is the lead character on the show. It doesn't matter if he's "passive" or everyone else around him does the most action or generates the most stories. The point is everyone, to varying degrees, revolves around him. It's not about cherry picking certain parts of the show where someone else looked like they were in the forefront because in the end it circles back to him in some form or another.So you agreeing that @irukandji Adalind & Nick vs Juliette & Nick Relationships were the same only because Nick is the lead? Is Rosalee's relationship to Nick the same too?
Juliette wasn't the lead, she was his victimised girlfriend turned to a scorned woman/villain because of him. It's in S5 that she's first independent of him but only superficially because as part of HW, she still had to work with him and wasn't completely free of Nick's shadow. And S6 is a meshing of too many ideas. In 6x11 she claims her independence again but as a combination of Juliette and Eve but her story still revolves around Nick.
I agree with @irukandji it doesn't matter which relationship you choose, it's Nick that's in the driver's seat, not because he's proactive or anything but because that's how it's written. Shows are typically written to cater to the lead more than to anyone else. They will have the other support cast feign independence from the lead but any real independence results in disappearing from the show permanently unless from the very get go the show is written as an ensemble cast like GoT or Westworld where you can have characters driving their own stories without ever interacting with the others.
Juliette/Eve has 3rd billing while Adalind is 8th billing is that not important either?
Mary, I think if Juliette had had children and had stayed with Nick, we would have seen much the same situation we would have with Adalind and Nick. She'd quite her job to raise the kids. Just my take on it.
RE: Adalind & Nick vs Juliette & Nick Relationships - brandon - 06-16-2017
We must take into account that Nick met them all
RE: Adalind & Nick vs Juliette & Nick Relationships - dicappatore - 06-16-2017
(06-15-2017, 08:24 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: Juliette wasn't the lead, she was his victimised girlfriend turned to a scorned woman/villain because of him. It's in S5 that she's first independent of him but only superficially because as part of HW, she still had to work with him and wasn't completely free of Nick's shadow. And S6 is a meshing of too many ideas. In 6x11 she claims her independence again but as a combination of Juliette and Eve but her story still revolves around Nick.
She was Scorned By NICK?? Lets look up the defenition of Scorned
scorned
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scorn (skôrn) n.
1.a. Contempt or disdain felt toward a person or object considered despicable or unworthy: viewed his rivals with scorn.
b. The expression of such an attitude in behavior or speech; derision: heaped scorn upon his rivals.
c. The state of being despised or dishonored: held in scorn by his rivals.
2. Archaic One spoken of or treated with contempt. tr.v. scorned, scorn·ing, scorns
1. To consider or treat as contemptible or unworthy: an artist who was scorned by conservative critics.
2. To reject or refuse with derision: scorned their offer of help. See Synonyms at despise.
3. To consider or reject (doing something) as beneath one's dignity: "She disapproved so heartily of Flora's plan that she would have scorned to assist in the concoction of a single oily sentence" (Stella Gibbons)
All he did was, a simple walking out and coming back to sleep on the couch and stating to her, even as a Hexenbiest, he was still in love with her and wasn't giving up on here, is this SCORNED?? enough for you to sell the guy out?
Let’s compare what she did to him.
Not believing him about being a Grimm before the coma. After complaining he was keeping secrets from her
What she did to him, using those standards, after coming out of her coma. As you recall. Right after her coma, she had no clue yet of her infatuation of Sean or of Nick being a Grimm,
After the cleansing, she still kept him at arm’s length and didn't ask him to move back home well after the Muse incident. Not to mention after she became this evil witch.
But let’s put the bitch/witch aside He sure showed her a lot more patience to her in those many episodes than she ever did to him.
And I don t want to hear the excuses of her being under a spell. After the cleansing the spell was gone. There was plenty of photographic evidence, for at least, her to let the guy sleep in the spare bedroom. It was his house. What a nice and fair woman Juliette was before she became a Hexenbiest?
If anyone was scorned it was Nick
Are you sure rpmaluki? To me it is obviously, you have the two characters confused? Flipped?
RE: Adalind & Nick vs Juliette & Nick Relationships - rpmaluki - 06-16-2017
(06-16-2017, 11:21 AM)dicappatore Wrote:You are correct, I should have said she felt scorned.(06-15-2017, 08:24 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: Juliette wasn't the lead, she was his victimised girlfriend turned to a scorned woman/villain because of him. It's in S5 that she's first independent of him but only superficially because as part of HW, she still had to work with him and wasn't completely free of Nick's shadow. And S6 is a meshing of too many ideas. In 6x11 she claims her independence again but as a combination of Juliette and Eve but her story still revolves around Nick.
She was Scorned By NICK?? Lets look up the defenition of Scorned
scorned
Also found in: Thesaurus, Legal, Idioms.
scorn (skôrn) n.
1.a. Contempt or disdain felt toward a person or object considered despicable or unworthy: viewed his rivals with scorn.
b. The expression of such an attitude in behavior or speech; derision: heaped scorn upon his rivals.
c. The state of being despised or dishonored: held in scorn by his rivals.
2. Archaic One spoken of or treated with contempt. tr.v. scorned, scorn·ing, scorns
1. To consider or treat as contemptible or unworthy: an artist who was scorned by conservative critics.
2. To reject or refuse with derision: scorned their offer of help. See Synonyms at despise.
3. To consider or reject (doing something) as beneath one's dignity: "She disapproved so heartily of Flora's plan that she would have scorned to assist in the concoction of a single oily sentence" (Stella Gibbons)
Are you sure rpmaluki? To me it is obviously, you have the two characters confused? Flipped?
RE: Adalind & Nick vs Juliette & Nick Relationships - irukandji - 06-16-2017
Nick did scorn Juliette. He was repulsed by her when she woged.
RE: Adalind & Nick vs Juliette & Nick Relationships - Loona - 06-16-2017
That's true irukandji, Nick could crawl in with Adalind into the bed as if nothing was ever between them...but with Juliette - he needed to sleep on the couch...that was a ridiculous step what the writers did.