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RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - irukandji - 12-12-2016
(12-11-2016, 09:11 PM)syscrash Wrote: As for the kidnapping you keep repeating you see it as an atrocity. You not once have you ever addressed the issue of, they hold on to Diana they would die. You have suggest that the group could provide protection. Yet the show has shown they want someone dead that person is dead. Plus name one instant that someone was protected from harm. If Adalind can inflict harm time and time again. What would make you think Viktor could not do the same thing. We saw Viktor kill the head of the varret for failing. So we know what he is capable of.
syscrash, you keep forgetting one thing in all of this: Nick. He swore to protect the innocent. Letting his mother have her way so she can get her hands on Diana is not protecting the innocent. You know this for a fact. She was so caught up in getting this child, she completely forgot the most important thing she was supposed to do and that was to protect Diana. As a result, it blew up in hers and Nick's faces and they failed. Miserably.
And you can go on and on and on about how you feel this is the right thing, but I have yet to see you address why none of them told Adalind about it.
(12-11-2016, 09:11 PM)syscrash Wrote: Even in the most primitive tribes there is some form of official marriage. Do that have legal contracts attached no. But they do have an acknowledgement that is more the saying, this is my wife.
Really? Well, let's talk about something more civilized, like the US. Some states still honor common law marriage. Guess what? The most binding form of marriage recognition is often something as simple as a joint checking account.
Conrad put a ring on Adalind's finger and told her she was a princess. I don't know that that means marriage in Grimmland. We'll have to wait and see. But that said, I haven't seen anyone come up with a better explanation as of yet.
RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - brandon - 12-12-2016
I think Nick stayed with Adalind because she needed him more.had to show him that he was better than she thought. Juliette was independent and strong.must accept that she. The coexistence between Nick and Adalind together with the voy changes.perhaps giving way to love certain couples started this way. But if there is only pride, not patience and other things does not work.
RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - syscrash - 12-12-2016
Quote:syscrash, you keep forgetting one thing in all of this: Nick. He swore to protect the innocent. Letting his mother have her way so she can get her hands on Diana is not protecting the innocent. You know this for a fact. She was so caught up in getting this child, she completely forgot the most important thing she was supposed to do and that was to protect Diana. As a result, it blew up in hers and Nick's faces and they failed. Miserably.It only blew up in their face because Adalind could not keep her mouth shut. Had Adalind not told Viktor that Kelly had Diana. Viktor would have never came to Portland. Because they knew Adalind could not keep her mouth shut is why they did not include her. The entire plan hinged on the Royals thinking Diana was with the resistance. Nick duty to protect the innocent is why he protected Diana. Nick and Juliette where ready to kill Adalind when she came to the house. Instead because of Diana who was an innocent. They put their neck on the line. Remember it was Adalind greed that caused the whole incident. Adalind was the one that deliberately got pregnant with a Royal child. then went to vienna to the castle to sell the child. Even signed a contract with the Royals and accepted payment. Now everyone is in a tight spot because the Royals want their property. There is nothing about the event that Adalind is in the right about. Even to the point of damaging her child and putting a price on her head so she could have her powers back. At the rate Diana is growing she will be an old lady by the age of 12. Yet people say Adalind is a good mother.
And you can go on and on and on about how you feel this is the right thing, but I have yet to see you address why none of them told Adalind about it.
Quote:Really? Well, let's talk about something more civilized, like the US. Some states still honor common law marriage. Guess what? The most binding form of marriage recognition is often something as simple as a joint checking account.Common law like domestic partners do not have the same rights as marriage. that is what the fight is about. It is like segregation separate but equal. It can never be equal.
Conrad put a ring on Adalind's finger and told her she was a princess. I don't know that that means marriage in Grimmland. We'll have to wait and see. But that said, I haven't seen anyone come up with a better explanation as of yet.
It may be a little deep to understand but the ring was a metaphor with a spell to enforce the concept. For one Sean has advocated his position. So he is not a prince which means Adalind could not be a princess. If he had not advocated Sean would have had to make a declaration of marriage to Adalind not a third party. Even in arranged marriages until the engagement is declared Royalty is not bestowed. Placing a ring on Adalind finger can not make her Royalty. But just like people say daddies little princess. The term is used as a metaphor. Beside they are in the US Grimm or no Grimm we do not have Royalty.
RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - MarylikesGrimm - 12-12-2016
[quote='syscrash' pid='37690' dateline='1481554887']
Quote:It only blew up in their face because Adalind could not keep her mouth shut. Had Adalind not told Viktor that Kelly had Diana. Viktor would have never came to Portland. Because they knew Adalind could not keep her mouth shut is why they did not include her.
Adalind was tortured and starved in order give information about who kidnapped her daughter. If Nick and gang had told her that the Royals did not have her then Nick would not losted his powers and the royals would not have learned about Kelly.
RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - irukandji - 12-12-2016
(12-12-2016, 08:33 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: [quote='syscrash' pid='37690' dateline='1481554887']
Quote:It only blew up in their face because Adalind could not keep her mouth shut. Had Adalind not told Viktor that Kelly had Diana. Viktor would have never came to Portland. Because they knew Adalind could not keep her mouth shut is why they did not include her.
Adalind was tortured and starved in order give information about who kidnapped her daughter. If Nick and gang had told her that the Royals did not have her then Nick would not losted his powers and the royals would not have learned about Kelly.
Right.
RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - syscrash - 12-12-2016
Quote:Adalind was tortured and starved in order give information about who kidnapped her daughter. If Nick and gang had told her that the Royals did not have her then Nick would not losted his powers and the royals would not have learned about Kelly.They where ready to kill kill bud and Monroe. Yet Bud would not talk. So Adalind has not excuse. She told the Royals about Kelly. she told Conrad about the fome. The other have been wiiling to die for what they believe. Not Adalind with Adalind it is always me first. Every character on the show has been willing to sacrifice. Only one is Adalind who has never come through. Even Sean sacrificed to save Juliette.
RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - rpmaluki - 12-12-2016
(12-12-2016, 08:33 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: [quote='syscrash' pid='37690' dateline='1481554887']True. It was Viktor that manipulated Adalind, promising her something that he could not deliver. If the gang had been honest, Adalind wouldn't have ran to Viktor hoping to get her daughter back.
Quote:It only blew up in their face because Adalind could not keep her mouth shut. Had Adalind not told Viktor that Kelly had Diana. Viktor would have never came to Portland. Because they knew Adalind could not keep her mouth shut is why they did not include her.
Adalind was tortured and starved in order give information about who kidnapped her daughter. If Nick and gang had told her that the Royals did not have her then Nick would not losted his powers and the royals would not have learned about Kelly.
RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - MarylikesGrimm - 12-12-2016
They where ready to kill kill bud and Monroe. Yet Bud would not talk. So Adalind has not excuse. She told the Royals about Kelly. she told Conrad about the fome.
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Adalind is putting the children first the way a mother should. Being a good mother is not bad thing.
RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - rpmaluki - 12-12-2016
(12-12-2016, 08:43 AM)syscrash Wrote:since giving birth to Diana, everything Adalind has done has been about being with her children. She didn't owe Nick or his friends anything. They stole her baby, why must she consider those that hated her? Later, she took Kelly with her because she didn't want to be separated with yet another child after what happened with Diana. When Conrad was chocking her, she likely caved because if she died protecting the fome's location, that would leave Diana AND Kelly with BC.Quote:Adalind was tortured and starved in order give information about who kidnapped her daughter. If Nick and gang had told her that the Royals did not have her then Nick would not losted his powers and the royals would not have learned about Kelly.They where ready to kill kill bud and Monroe. Yet Bud would not talk. So Adalind has not excuse. She told the Royals about Kelly. she told Conrad about the fome. The other have been wiiling to die for what they believe. Not Adalind with Adalind it is always me first. Every character on the show has been willing to sacrifice. Only one is Adalind who has never come through. Even Sean sacrificed to save Juliette.
(12-12-2016, 08:49 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: [quote='syscrash' pid='37699' dateline='1481557387']Her children come first and I see absolutely nothing wrong with that, Nick hasn't made her any promises besides trying to keep her safe and he couldn't even do that. The only person Adalind can truly rely or depend on is herself.
Quote:They where ready to kill kill bud and Monroe. Yet Bud would not talk. So Adalind has not excuse. She told the Royals about Kelly. she told Conrad about the fome.
Adalind is putting the children first the way a mother should. Being a good mother is not bad thing.
RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - syscrash - 12-12-2016
Adalind puts her children first. Lets examine that lets skip all the damage she did to Diana. Lets start with when Kelly rescued her. Kelly then takes her to Nick and gets his protection. Protection that Nick agrees to even though Nicks hates her. But what does Adalind do runs over to Sean's. Immediately the varret try and kill them. So again Nick and Kelly have to save her. Viktor threatens Sean's and Adalind. Adalind gets arrogant about not giving up her child. Just like Kelly said Adalind big mistake was running to Sean's. Viktor did not know where Nick lived. Had Adalind not been so hard headed Kelly might have worked with her so both Adalind and Diana could get a way. Kelly did get both out of Vienna. When her assignment was to get Diana. But after running off and then wanting to make demands. Why would Kelly want to risk having Adalind along.
If you say Adalind was concerned about her child. Then why did she keep putting her child at risk. Better yet why did she even make her child a target. Had she not gone to Vienna and told everyone a baby with Royal blood was on the market. Her and Diana could have lived a quiet normal life. So I find it hard to see how people think she has is protecting her kids.
Even in season 5. HW had Diana. Had Adalind communicated what BC was doing. HW could have trusted her to put her in contact with Diana. instead now her and both kids are under the control of BC. HW was not gong to divulge that they had Diana after Adalind running her mouth resulted in Meisner having to launch a rescue mission to get Diana from the Royals. People want to blame Juliette. Bottom line Adalind came to Portland to do exactly what Juliette did. Had Juliette not been a hexenbiest Adalind would have captured Juliette to get to Kelly. Even if it meant forcing Nick to contact her in exchange for Juliette's life. People forget, Adalind started the plan. Juliette only finished it. So how was helping the Royals get Diana looking out for her child. Even Adalind said they would kill her once they got Diana.
For someone people want to say her children come first. She sure keeps them in dangerous situations. This is twice she has left where she and her kids where safe. Only to go where her kids where under constant attack. With Diana it was leaving Nick to go to Sean's. Instantly under attack. With Kelly again she left Nick to go to Sean's instantly under attack. So exactly how is that protecting her kids.