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This was something I was curious about and wanted to ask. Do any of you think that Nick ever really loved Juliette? One of the things she gets blamed for is refusing his proposal. True, she did. But if he really loved her, I mean really loved her, why doesn't he ever propose to her again? I don't know, maybe it's the actors themselves, but I really don't see a lot of proof that he ever really loved her. Or that she ever really loved him. I know he was at her bedside when she lost her memory, but to me, it was like a friend visiting another friend in the hospital. It's an unusual relationship but the way I see it, they just don't click and really never did. I watch Rosalie and Monroe and can see that not only are the characters in love but they really care enough about each other to get to know one another. I haven't ever really seen that with Nick and Juliette.

I guess you are just not seeing any chemistry between those two actors. I don't think you are alone in that. I don't think it is the writing giving them less to do (than, say, Monroe and Rosalee) so much as it is the actors themsleves. "Chemistry" is an elusive quality, much sought-after by TV executives. For me, Nick and Juliette have always been the least interesting main characters in the show.

They really aren't very interesting, are they? Weird.

(05-15-2015, 04:54 AM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ]This was something I was curious about and wanted to ask. Do any of you think that Nick ever really loved Juliette? One of the things she gets blamed for is refusing his proposal. True, she did. But if he really loved her, I mean really loved her, why doesn't he ever propose to her again?

One time he was going to, I think shortly before Monroe and Rosalie's wedding, and she told him not to just then. And then he was going to or was telling her that he was planning to when Adalind and his mother came over.

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(05-07-2015, 11:46 AM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]Because she has a different personality does not mean she is violating the integrity of her character. It is a different character. It would be no difference then someone that just had a complete plastic makeover, complete with implants. Their personality would be a lot difference. Where they may have be a shy introvert. After the work they may become a very outgoing sexually active extrovert.

Actually, they wouldn't. After some time of people responding to them differently, they could gain confidence, but their entire personality and morals would not change. Definitely not enough to be called a different character.

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(05-07-2015, 11:00 AM)Liederbiest Wrote: [ -> ]A previous poster said that Juliette was clear as to why she was done, and that her feeling of empowerment should be a huge point in the character's favor, especially from all the passive Juliette detractors. Here's my counterpoint: I do not see Juliette's empowerment. I see her being controlled by her powers, allowing herself to be manipulated by the new situation into actions that violate the integrity of her character.

Agreed. For clarification, I am interpreting 'her character' to mean her self, not her characterization.

(05-07-2015, 11:00 AM)Liederbiest Wrote: [ -> ]A previous poster said that Juliette was clear as to why she was done, and that her feeling of empowerment should be a huge point in the character's favor, especially from all the passive Juliette detractors. Here's my counterpoint: I do not see Juliette's empowerment. I see her being controlled by her powers, allowing herself to be manipulated by the new situation into actions that violate the integrity of her character. Can a psychotic break be truly empowering?

You know, I have to say, reading all of the positive things people see in Juliette is good to behold. I would have to say among all of the characters, Juliette did the most to maintain her integrity for a very long time. That's more than I can say for the rest of them, who had no problem with throwing their own integrity to the wind in order to further their needs.

(05-15-2015, 05:25 AM)Mauvais Don Wrote: [ -> ]I guess you are just not seeing any chemistry between those two actors. I don't think you are alone in that. I don't think it is the writing giving them less to do (than, say, Monroe and Rosalee) so much as it is the actors themsleves. "Chemistry" is an elusive quality, much sought-after by TV executives. For me, Nick and Juliette have always been the least interesting main characters in the show.

I see more chemistry between Nick and Adelind.

I wonder if the lack of chemistry lies within Nick and not Juliette. I remember watching the scenes where she kisses Renard during her lapse of memory a couple of years back. No lack of chemistry between those two.

(05-18-2015, 10:49 AM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if the lack of chemistry lies within Nick and not Juliette. I remember watching the scenes where she kisses Renard during her lapse of memory a couple of years back. No lack of chemistry between those two.

Agreed. Juliette and Renard seemed to have a serious spark, but I don't think that means the problem was with Nick. I still find that she just didn't seem to have any real passion for him. Whether the general "blah" vibe was mutual or not, the two characters simply didn't register as an authentic couple. The fact that the actors are supposed to be dating in real life strikes me as ironic because onscreen their relationship comes across as forced.

(05-18-2015, 10:56 AM)Belle Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. Juliette and Renard seemed to have a serious spark, but I don't think that means the problem was with Nick. I still find that she just didn't seem to have any real passion for him. Whether the general "blah" vibe was mutual or not, the two characters simply didn't register as an authentic couple. The fact that the actors are supposed to be dating in real life strikes me as ironic because onscreen their relationship comes across as forced.

i personally think the only reason Juliette and Sean seemed better was the way it was written, trying to show us the effects of the spell, altho they do mention the spell only works if there was feelings there before

the spell used caused them to have feelings that would turn into a passion they were unable to control and would only grow, the only way to show us that was to have them doing wild heat of the moment type things that we never saw nick and juliette do, like toss eachother around while in the middle of a make out session, showing up to see one another with a look of pure passion and take me now in their eyes

i seen someone else said it in another post, i don't know if they tried to hard or not hard enough but the Nick/Juliette relationship just seemed like a form of filling, they never found a way to truly make Juliette part of his new Grimm world, she was just someone we dealt with when he got home, or someone who got in a jam and needed saving, the only time i truly saw her as Not a Damsel in distress was once she became a Hexenbeast and that was actually the moment she needed his help the most

(05-18-2015, 10:49 AM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if the lack of chemistry lies within Nick and not Juliette. I remember watching the scenes where she kisses Renard during her lapse of memory a couple of years back. No lack of chemistry between those two.

I see a chemistry between Nick and Adalind. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking.