01-06-2018, 10:31 AM
Last I checked this forum wasn't the authority on what transpired on the show.
01-06-2018, 10:31 AM
Last I checked this forum wasn't the authority on what transpired on the show.
01-06-2018, 10:35 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-06-2018, 11:03 AM by Henry of green.)
(01-06-2018, 09:19 AM)irukandji Wrote:(01-06-2018, 09:12 AM)Henry of green Wrote: Renard says the word us meaning BC at least 4 times in 5x20 alone. That’s rich your ingoring the whole show, Renard was a power hungry bastard who didn’t give a damm about getting Dinaia back until Rachel brought up the idea in 5x13. He was working with Rachel and BC from the end of 5x12 unwards before he even know any thing about Diania. As long as BC were powerful and could help him rise Renard would buy anything they were selling as Power is what Renard cares about most as Roiz and Kouf explianed below. I certainly think he would turn his back on BC if they lost power but as long as they were in power he would 100 percent follow thier mythology. Interviews Roiz tells TVLine, noting that while winning control of the Oregon city would be a definite achievement, “I think he’s one of those poor souls who will never be satisfied and will always be looking for another opportunity.” Or, as executive producer James Kouf puts it: “Whoever will give him the power is where he wants to be. He’s very fluid. He also said Renards views his and Adalinds daughter as more than just a duagther but also a pawn for power. Tv line ”Sasha Roiz says that his character views Diana as “so much more than their daughter. Sasha Roiz She is definitely a very strategic pawn in this whole mythology. She’s proven to be someone who’s gifted and has a significant amount of power.” He adds: “There’s a lot of people vying for this girl.” http://tvline.com/2016/03/25/grimm-seaso...nd-renard/ http://tvline.com/2016/05/12/grimm-seaso...ind-video/ (01-06-2018, 10:35 AM)Henry of green Wrote:(01-06-2018, 09:19 AM)irukandji Wrote:(01-06-2018, 09:12 AM)Henry of green Wrote: Renard says the word us meaning BC at least 4 times in 5x20 alone. All I'm saying is that the scant evidence you provided doesn't convince me that Renard is a fully vested card carrying member of BC. You took a piece of the episode that supports your opinion, clipped it, and attached it to the post along with a statement that Renard's 4 time use of the word, "US", definitely, truly, completely, essentially proves he was a BC member. You completely disregarded the entire scenes that transpired prior to your little snippet. I'm saying if Renard was the fully vested, card carrying member of BC, then the series wouldn't have shown him revealing such hesitation, and that was only with the mayoral part of it. Not only that, but they didn't tell even reveal to him that they were BC. He had to guess. And for one moment, do you reall think BC is going to let him become the mayor he wants to be? Really?
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01-06-2018, 11:14 AM
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Irk, what evidence have you provided except for one Miesner scene I have provided more than one scene. In the little snippet Renard told Nick him and Black claw were going to bring fourth a primitive and bloody world and that all wesen that don’t join them would die. Renard told Nick more than once to join him in BC and told Adalind on two seprate occasions her and Kelly were now with Us meaning BC ,how can you ignore that. Renard would have betrayed BC certianly but only for more power as long as BC had power he would totally embrace thier mythology beacuse he would truly do anything for power it’s more important to him than his daughter.
01-06-2018, 11:33 AM
(01-06-2018, 11:05 AM)irukandji Wrote:Bonapart brought Renard to the HW headquarters and to the loft to see their success. Why? If he did not consider Renard to be an important part of BC he would not have been there. Lucian was either killed in the attack or considered less important than Renard. Bonapart certainly was not afraid of being stabbed in the back by someone who was a commited card carrying member of BC.(01-06-2018, 10:35 AM)Henry of green Wrote:(01-06-2018, 09:19 AM)irukandji Wrote:(01-06-2018, 09:12 AM)Henry of green Wrote: Renard says the word us meaning BC at least 4 times in 5x20 alone.
01-06-2018, 11:50 AM
(01-06-2018, 11:33 AM)eric Wrote: Bonapart brought Renard to the HW headquarters and to the loft to see their success. Why? If he did not consider Renard to be an important part of BC he would not have been there. Lucian was either killed in the attack or considered less important than Renard. Bonapart certainly was not afraid of being stabbed in the back by someone who was a commited card carrying member of BC. On the other side of the coin, why would Bonaparte need to show a card carrying vested member of BC their success? If one is so immersed in their belief of the organization, wouldn't that be readily apparent without proof? Bonaparte wasn't particularly thrilled with Renard during that episode to begin with. When Renard shot Meisner, Bonaparte told him his compassion was dangerous to them all. It may have been a test for Renard all along, just to see how far he'd go.
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01-06-2018, 11:51 AM
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He willingly joined BC no one forced him he willingly went along for power he could have tunned Rachel over to the police for her part in Dixon’s death even before he knew about Diania but he didn’t. . The writers and all the actors involved have said for Renard it was about power first and Diania second did he care for Diania yes but the power was much more important to him as Roiz stated in an interview I posted earlier she was more than a duagther to him she was a pawn.
(01-06-2018, 11:51 AM)Henry of green Wrote: He willingly joined BC no one forced him he willingly went along for power he could have tunned Rachel over to the police for her part in Dixon’s death even before he knew about Diania but he didn’t. . The writers and all the actors involved have said for Renard it was about power first and Diania second did he care for Diania yes but the power was much more important to him as Roiz stated in an interview I posted earlier she was more than a duagther to him she was a pawn. I don't agree and I haven't seen enough from you to show otherwise. And with that, I will pose this question: What should a parent do when it's suggested to him that his long lost daughter will be returned to him if he complies?
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01-06-2018, 12:09 PM
He already complied before his daughter was brought back to him.
01-06-2018, 12:48 PM
Renard wasn't without resources and contacts. If he wanted to know where the Resistance was keeping Diana, which is who Meisner told him had her, Renard would have paid insiders to ferret out Diana's location and take her. I too believe Renard loved his daughter and would have preferred having her with him, but rising in power was his main objective. BC combined backing Renard’s mayoral campaign with him creating a family image with Adalind and Diana. He wasn’t given the choice to run for mayor without the family image. I didn’t see any substantiation that his election required that family image, but BC kept insisting it did.
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