Hence the controversy regarding Juliette. The creative team would have been insane to remove the most controversial character from the series. Juliette is what kept it going.
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10-14-2017, 02:26 PM (This post was last modified: 10-14-2017, 02:42 PM by rpmaluki.)
Uhm...no. I disagree completely. Nick is what kept it going, Juliette was only there for the ride, like all the other characters. The writers liked every one and chose to keep characters on even when it wasn't necessary. Those that left, Erik, Viktor and Kelly, characters they would have loved to explore, left because they had other show commitments. I mean they even brought back Meisner for HW and later some weird ghost stint. Juliette wasn't extraordinary in anyway with the writers (compared to other support characters) except perhaps in making viewers wish she was gone compared to viewers wanting other characters to stay/come back.
10-14-2017, 02:53 PM (This post was last modified: 10-14-2017, 03:02 PM by Hell Rell.)
The point being made was Juliette wasn't controversial in the first few seasons. She only became controversial once she became a Hexenbiest.
From what I've observed, Juliette wasn't mentioned very often when fans listed their favorite things about the show. Nick, Monroe, Rosalee, and Renard came up much more often. Outside of the characters, it was the lore that drew people in or the various ways they came up with new wesen and how they operated. I don't think she made any substantial impact on the ratings. TBH, I don't think Hank or Wu did either. I'm not sure any character outside of Nick except for maybe Monroe would've made an impact at the end of the first season. Despite being a great addition to the show, I don't even think Rosalee would have since she wasn't introduced until 1x15. I do think that post-season 3 would be affected since the audience grew attached to them, especially Rosalee and Renard, although I still think any one of Hank, Wu, and Juliette wouldn't make much of a difference in terms of ratings.
Personally, I was pretty neutral on Juliette in the first few seasons outside of the amnesia arc. That didn't even make me dislike the character. I just thought it dragged on way too long because it lasted for just about the entire season. I didn't think she was necessary for the show nor did I want her gone. I think of her the same way I thought of Cuddy from House. Cuddy was a character I could take or leave for the first few seasons. I didn't even give her much thought until her screentime increased and I felt like the show was suffering from giving her an increased role. The writing was the main culprit but their insistence on giving her more importance in the already uninteresting narrative certainly was a factor. She wasn't like Taub or the rest of the new team whom I disliked from the start. It was the show giving her more prominence that I disliked because I felt her character didn't warrant it and the attempts to give her more depth ironically made her seem more cookie-cutter and boring. Yet, I still don't dislike Juliette nearly as much as Cuddy.
I think the decision to keep Juliette with Nick and later pair him with Adalind partially came from the writers deciding early on that Nick wasn't going to be single. I know some people wanted him to be more like Kelly or Trubel but I don't think he was ever meant to be a normal Grimm. He was always supposed to be attached to someone and that would always affect him. Nick just chasing after wesen all the time wasn't enough drama for them. That's why every season finale outside of perhaps season 2 had his relationship play a significant part in the plot.
I never said Juliette was listed as a fan favorite. But there is no doubt that she is the most controversial of the characters and that's a big part of what fans tune in for.
As for how much controversy she generated in season 1, didn't she refuse Nick's proposal in season 1? While some here felt she was right in doing so there are still those who even today, six years later, criticize her because she didn't immediately turn to putty and accept the proposal without question.
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10-14-2017, 03:34 PM (This post was last modified: 10-14-2017, 03:35 PM by Hell Rell.)
(10-14-2017, 03:15 PM)irukandji Wrote: I never said Juliette was listed as a fan favorite. But there is no doubt that she is the most controversial of the characters and that's a big part of what fans tune in for.
As for how much controversy she generated in season 1, didn't she refuse Nick's proposal in season 1? While some here felt she was right in doing so there are still those who even today, six years later, criticize her because she didn't immediately turn to putty and accept the proposal without question.
I do wonder how what happened in season 4 affected how people viewed Juliette in season 1 when re-watching the series. Of course, I wasn't on this forum back then but I don't remember there being much chatter about it on other sites when it happened. I don't recall her being hated for it. I tend to think that some of the things used against Juliette in earlier seasons are a result of what she did in season 4. Some of it may be retroactive bashing.
This forum contains entries revealing a hatred of Juliette way before season 4 debuted. I started watching the series in season 2, and while I never hated the character, I found her annoying and whiny. I also had no issue with her being Nicik's live in partner.
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(10-14-2017, 09:25 PM)irukandji Wrote: This forum contains entries revealing a hatred of Juliette way before season 4 debuted. I started watching the series in season 2, and while I never hated the character, I found her annoying and whiny. I also had no issue with her being Nick's live in partner.
I was wondering if the criticism was the same. I say this because I see some posters using her actions in earlier seasons to explain what happened in season 4. It looks rather useless to me because I don't think what she did or didn't do in seasons 1 and 2 had much of an effect on what she did in season 4. I simply don't think the writers planned her arc that far ahead.
For example, the recent posts about Juliette being a "slut" that I have no interest in. She slept with Renard and Kenneth so people are looking for clues in earlier seasons as to why she would do such a thing. I don't think there's anything in her earlier characterization that explains it.
10-14-2017, 11:21 PM (This post was last modified: 10-14-2017, 11:25 PM by rpmaluki.)
I started posting here during S5 so I'm not familiar with posters' disdain for the character in the first four years. I've never hated Juliette for turning down Nick's proposal. I thought that was smart of her to do. You can't start a marriage with secret and lies. However I wasn't impressed that she chose to stay with him knowing full well he was lying to her about something and later learning how that was the reason she was constantly attacked. I would have left Nick and never looked back. I hated her relationship with Nick because I felt it was doomed to fail from the way they wrote them together, a waste of my time and wanted it to end immediately.
So she stayed because she loved him, fine. What I don't like is how that love was thrown out the window after she became a Hexenbeist and went berserk on him and his friends. She was mad for what they did to her, her argument, but she had told Nick he had to be a Grimm again and agreed to do the spell, nobody forced her. They still took responsibility for it and tried to fix things. She turned violent, end of story.
I don't blame Juliette for what happened to her but I hold her accountable for the part she played in it all starting from S1. She is a grown woman that even at S6 couldn't accept responsibility of her own actions. I only ever hated her for what she did once she embraced the hexenbiest (trailer, mama Kelly/neighbours and what she threatened to do to baby Kelly before he was born, that was all her, not Nick/scoobies/Sean/Adalind.