The main things that dampened my enjoyment of S5 was firstly the BC plot started with a certain amount of urgency and then just like that was nothing to worry about for a while. I thought they should have woven more WOWs with BC to give cohesion to the story and Nick's involvement. BC was big and threatening and then it wasn't that big and threatening until it was. Then the HW/Eve angle relegated Nick to being a sidekick when it became the Eve show for a while. While BC/Bonaparte relegated Sean to a BC proselyte and not the guy he had be shown to be for 4.5 seasons. Sean was usually the guy running things behind the scenes and here he was having his strings pulled by BC. For me, S5 is the season really made it even less of the Grimm show an exposed more writing issues than originally had because of these things. It was very obvious that G & K had abandoned most of the original theme. I think the S2 (amnesia plot) would probably be the next low on my list and maybe S4 in terms of writing issues.
09-18-2017, 01:20 PM
The show had a formula that worked for four seasons, but G&K shot themselves in the foot when they decided to "shake things up." Introducing HW and BC was too much of a departure from everything established in the series up to that point. Coupled with several other creative decisions that probably alienated most of the regular viewers, cancellation became inevitable.
09-18-2017, 01:25 PM
As for my two cents, on the bad writing for the show, fell in a few parts.
Season 1, my second favorite season. A minor note. The lack of clues or any inkling that she was going to turn down his proposal. Season 2, I hated this season the most. The long drawn out conclusion to the coma after-effects was excruciating. Season 3 was my favorite. A minor note. The plane crash survival for Nick was over the top. Season 4, The extreme reaction to Juliette becoming the Hexenbiest. They brought it in too early in the season and went too far. Season 5, The BC/HW conflict was a failed disaster recovery attempt to season 4 debacles, and, IMO, the attempt to sneak in DG’s real life fiance, now in the open, Elizabeth Tulloch back in the show. She wasn’t favored by the viewers as both versions of Juliette nor the Eve version. This season was the actual "The Beginning of the End". These are my observations to why we got a shorten 13 episodes of season 6 and its cancellation.
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From my perspective, the N & J story was never written as a true love story from season one. I always felt the writer's never intended to have them end up together based on the way the relationship was portrayed, but then maybe it was poor writing. However, BT said in an interview that Juliette was initially a passive person. I don't know when she was then written to no longer be passive. Was it when she became hexenette? Anyway I don't see how a passive person would gave captured the viewer's attention. Anecdotal evidence starting with season one placed Juliette as one of the least favorite characters. Right from the jump, the N& J true love story was doomed with that kind of personality methinks. Her revival as Eve didn't help much either.
09-18-2017, 05:12 PM
That's how I felt too devegs. I was expecting juliette to leave/disappear in season one or season 2 so I was surprised it didn't happen. There was nothing shown in season one that allowed the audience to connect with Juliette. I think they focused more on the relationship between Monroe and Nick, because I found d myself really wishing that they would stop showing Nick and juliette together. Even Nick's interactions with Ariel the fire wesen was a lot more enjoyable. I also thought it would have been far more interesting if Nick had broken up with Juliette after season 1or 2 to allow him to become romantically involved with wesen.
09-18-2017, 05:17 PM
(09-18-2017, 12:17 PM)Devegs Wrote: The main things that dampened my enjoyment of S5 was firstly the BC plot started with a certain amount of urgency and then just like that was nothing to worry about for a while. I thought they should have woven more WOWs with BC to give cohesion to the story and Nick's involvement. BC was big and threatening and then it wasn't that big and threatening until it was. Then the HW/Eve angle relegated Nick to being a sidekick when it became the Eve show for a while. While BC/Bonaparte relegated Sean to a BC proselyte and not the guy he had be shown to be for 4.5 seasons. Sean was usually the guy running things behind the scenes and here he was having his strings pulled by BC. For me, S5 is the season really made it even less of the Grimm show an exposed more writing issues than originally had because of these things. It was very obvious that G & K had abandoned most of the original theme. I think the S2 (amnesia plot) would probably be the next low on my list and maybe S4 in terms of writing issues. I have to agree with most of the things you mentioned, especially the amnesia part. Bleah. They could've skipped that whole idea altogether and came out on top. A lot of wishy-washy writing that you've mentioned sealed its fate.
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09-18-2017, 08:29 PM
(09-18-2017, 05:12 PM)wesen Wrote: That's how I felt too devegs. I was expecting juliette to leave/disappear in season one or season 2 so I was surprised it didn't happen. There was nothing shown in season one that allowed the audience to connect with Juliette. I think they focused more on the relationship between Monroe and Nick, because I found d myself really wishing that they would stop showing Nick and juliette together. Even Nick's interactions with Ariel the fire wesen was a lot more enjoyable. I also thought it would have been far more interesting if Nick had broken up with Juliette after season 1or 2 to allow him to become romantically involved with wesen. I always felt, well knew, Nick was the main character with Hank and Monroe as co-stars and the rest of the gang as supporting cast, including Juliette. If you look at the Grimm IMDb page, Juliette is listed as 6th billing with 119/123 episodes. Below Sasha and Reggie. Imagine how many less episodes she would be billed for ,if they had just brought her back on occasional flashbacks only, after her death at the end of season 4. This might not be the best way to determine their casting priority but it’s something to think about.
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09-18-2017, 08:38 PM
(09-18-2017, 08:29 PM)dicappatore Wrote:I wish they showed super powered Nick more than Eve the super powered hexenbiest. It was annoying watching him take a back seat to JuliEve. I wanted zombie Nick to come back.(09-18-2017, 05:12 PM)wesen Wrote: That's how I felt too devegs. I was expecting juliette to leave/disappear in season one or season 2 so I was surprised it didn't happen. There was nothing shown in season one that allowed the audience to connect with Juliette. I think they focused more on the relationship between Monroe and Nick, because I found d myself really wishing that they would stop showing Nick and juliette together. Even Nick's interactions with Ariel the fire wesen was a lot more enjoyable. I also thought it would have been far more interesting if Nick had broken up with Juliette after season 1or 2 to allow him to become romantically involved with wesen.
09-18-2017, 09:51 PM
Going back to the original topic, I just found an article that states that ratings or critical acclaim don't count as much anymore in this new age of television. International fans are beginning to be just as important as local, and fans dedication/passion for the show is taken into account. also streaming sites such as Netflix, Hulu, etc. affects the way television networks decide on whether to keep or axe a show.
http://www.vulture.com/2017/05/tv-rating...atter.html
09-18-2017, 10:05 PM
Definitely not critical acclaim.
Ratings make a difference compared to how the network thinks some other show they could put in the same slot would do. But a show that the network actually produces can skate by with lower ratings than one it has to license from others. International broadcast and streaming/download sales make a big difference for series that have several seasons, but don't mean a whole lot to one in its first or second year. Fan passion, not so much for network TV, more so for premium cable. HBO cares about it more than NBC does. |
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